All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Pienaar ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
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Essentially, we are seeing that Joe Schmidt is a better international coach than Razor is after 4 games in Charge.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Essentially, we are seeing that Joe Schmidt is a better international coach than Razor is after 4 games in Charge.
It's early. Joe has runs on the board. Razor has to show he can make the step up. Interesting times
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Forecast looks rubbish...
30km/h northerly wind and rain....Probably going to be messy
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Forecast looks rubbish...
30km/h northerly wind and rain....Probably going to be messy
This weather is perfect for direct forward play, and a controlled performance from 10 with effective kicking for territory
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Pienaar ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
All valid points and I agree.
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So 30 years of Eden Park results on the line tonight. I still remember the "Time to unplug the Mains" headline in one of the Sunday rags after the last one. Surely the All Black forwards can't be that mud two weeks in a row. Surely...
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So 30 years of Eden Park results on the line tonight. I still remember the "Time to unplug the Mains" headline in one of the Sunday rags after the last one. Surely the All Black forwards can't be that mud two weeks in a row. Surely...
They tease us with 10 minutes of "what could be" last week. If we play direct.win the collisions and clean well, we will win and win well
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Pienaar ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Fourie ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
Here's Warburton's for what it's worth. Hang it in the fucking Louvre.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
DC was the unicorn. He could run, he could dictate play, he could kick and pass, he could tackle. He is the GOAT 10 and we have to accept that his kind don't grow on trees. BB, RM and DM can't do all the things DC did. We have to work out what we value and what areas we are prepared to sacrifice when talking about the current crop
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
I suspect DC tackled harder than it appeared to fans as his technique was so efficient but he was a compact 90+ kg guy targetting a small but effective point of impact.
Nobody got change going down his channel.
GOAT
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@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
In terms of power, mass x acceleration they are. SAs big backs are slower and their fast backs are smaller. Rieko and Caleb have size and speed/acceleration combined.
Kriel and Am say hi
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
In terms of power, mass x acceleration they are. SAs big backs are slower and their fast backs are smaller. Rieko and Caleb have size and speed/acceleration combined.
Kriel and Am say hi
Not to mention De Allende and Esterhuizen who are the kind of athletes Jordie fans wish he was. Perhaps not quite as quick as Reiko or Caleb but absolute bulldozers in attack nonetheless.
Clarke is big, Ioane is pretty lean in comparison
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Sometimes the truth hurts
Yeah, up to a point. I stopped watching when one of them ( not Victor) said Clarke was no good under the high ball.
Is that the perception people have? Really? -
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Sometimes the truth hurts
Yeah, up to a point. I stopped watching when one of them ( not Victor) said Clarke was no good under the high ball.
Is that the perception people have? Really?@Snowy said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Sometimes the truth hurts
Yeah, up to a point. I stopped watching when one of them ( not Victor) said Clarke was no good under the high ball.
Is that the perception people have? Really?Not to mention the first razorism, the so called player who plays on both sides of the ball. Cue the uppercut
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Forecast looks rubbish...
30km/h northerly wind and rain....Probably going to be messy
This weather is perfect for direct forward play, and a controlled performance from 10 with effective kicking for territory
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Forecast looks rubbish...
30km/h northerly wind and rain....Probably going to be messy
This weather is perfect for direct forward play, and a controlled performance from 10 with effective kicking for territory
We're fucked then
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Pienaar ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Pienaar ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
DMac is one of the toughest and bravest players out there. Not sure your judgement is that great on this topic if youre including him in your not manly man group.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Bender, Conrad, DC, Nuggie ...
Bender was tough as old boots. He clattered Picamoles in 2015 going for a high ball.
Conrad was tough as fuck too. He'd cut the knees off you. He actually put in the second best tackle I think ive ever seen (after Warburton on Tuilagi) against South Africa. I think it was on JDV but Pienaar ended up scoring anyway. A proper daisy cutter. See below at 3 mins 20 seconds. Like falling an oak tree.
DC would put you on your arse and flog the ball off you too, and also had a GOAT fend.
Nuggie I'll give you. But I think nit picking over a scrummie is disingenuous.
I think im making a fair point.
We are a nice team to play these days. No looking over your shoulder to see where Brad Thorn or Collins or Nonu or Kaino is. Lads who like hurting you...legally.
Im not looking for a Richard Loe. Im looking for a 2018 Sam Cane.
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Looking forward to the match. Clarke, Rieko and Jordan are all significant upgrades, if we can get just parity in the forwards we'll have too much fire power for them. That said, the weather will be a bit of a leveler.
