All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
We all agree that if we lose against this Wallabies side Razor should be sacked?
Lose the Bled yes. Drop one with Oz playing a blinder then he has to blitz EOY otherwise cya later gater
Not that it will happen
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Good news in the short term (I.e. trying to win this game) is the atmosphere out at Homebush is unlikely to be problematic
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Wallabies have a woeful record at Homebush
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Any goodwill the Wallabies have built up just got erased with their largest ever defeat overnight
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Swans are playing a home preliminary/semi final the same weekend
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A large portion of the crowd that bother to go will be AB fans
Not that a shit Bledisloe crowd in Sydney is great news for NZ rugby in the medium to long term
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@Kirwan Now the equation is drop one against the Wallabies and he deserves the sack, especially after the Wallabies last showing. Abs probably learned a lot from their last two outings against the Boks, they were in both of those games, hardly a complete debarcle.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
We all agree that if we lose against this Wallabies side Razor should be sacked?
What will happen is we will fucking crush them and it will all be falsely roses
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
We all agree that if we lose against this Wallabies side Razor should be sacked?
What will happen is we will fucking crush them and it will all be falsely roses
If we front against Aussie like we did last night against SA we should win well
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This talk of sacking Razor is madness.
Yep we’ve lost too many games for anyones liking, however i can see clear improvement in tactics and the way we’re playing.
He’s slowly but surely bringing in fresh talent, though I’d like him to be a bit more ruthless with some of the underperforming senior players.
Boks are a good side, with the majority having been together for years, know how to win (much like our 2011-2015 ABs teams.
It’s not all doom and gloom, if we’re still making the same mistakes and losing close games in another 12 months then it’ll need a re-think.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
We all agree that if we lose against this Wallabies side Razor should be sacked?
No.
For me, on results alone the only unexpected result was Arg I.
I expect these guys to build a decent team.
I think we were hopeful (only hopeful) of one win in Africa. Gave ourselves two chances, which is more than many were expecting.
Mind you, I was always glass half full with Fozzie too.
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My starting 15 for the Wallabies
15 Love (more solid option than Jordan)
14 Reiko
13 Proctor (time for a real centre)
12 Jordie or ALB
11 Clarke (two fast power wingers)
10 DMac (Plummer to see significant minutes if game is safe)
9 Ratima
8 Savea
7 Cane / Papalii
6 Sititi (the future)
5 Barrett
4 Vaii
3 Lomax
2 Taylor
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My starting 15 for the Wallabies
15 Love (more solid option than Jordan)
14 Reiko
13 Proctor (time for a real centre)
12 Jordie or ALBThis shit is dimwitted beyond belief. The problem isn't the centre, it's the bloke inside him and his poor decision making.
DMac has displayed he's a rabbit in the spotlight. How many more times do we need this "learning"? Start Plummer.
Savea to the bench. Sititi to start at 8.
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If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games? It's not like our forward pack is going to do a Blues and bully everyone else into submission. There's been plenty of comments about our lack of ball running, our lack of making the advantage line, our being static when we receive the ball.
McKenzie missed a few kicks, and threw a bad pass, and put up a shit defensive bomb. He's still the only guy we have whose passing is quick and accurate enough to get around the rush. -
This talk of sacking Razor is madness.
Yep we’ve lost too many games for anyones liking, however i can see clear improvement in tactics and the way we’re playing.
He’s slowly but surely bringing in fresh talent, though I’d like him to be a bit more ruthless with some of the underperforming senior players.
Boks are a good side, with the majority having been together for years, know how to win (much like our 2011-2015 ABs teams.
It’s not all doom and gloom, if we’re still making the same mistakes and losing close games in another 12 months then it’ll need a re-think.
@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
This talk of sacking Razor is madness.
Yep we’ve lost too many games for anyones liking, however i can see clear improvement in tactics and the way we’re playing.
He’s slowly but surely bringing in fresh talent, though I’d like him to be a bit more ruthless with some of the underperforming senior players.
Boks are a good side, with the majority having been together for years, know how to win (much like our 2011-2015 ABs teams.
It’s not all doom and gloom, if we’re still making the same mistakes and losing close games in another 12 months then it’ll need a re-think.
Well it's clearly in the context of the last few years where there were constant calls to sack Fozzie even after he managed to not lose a RC at all.
The posters who were ready to string him up can't complain now when the same standards are being applied to the Messiah.
I'm not sure I'm seeing this "clear" improvement you can see.
(This is not me saying he should be sacked, just pointing out that in the context of the Fern over the last few years it's not as "madness" as you may think).
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If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games? It's not like our forward pack is going to do a Blues and bully everyone else into submission. There's been plenty of comments about our lack of ball running, our lack of making the advantage line, our being static when we receive the ball.
McKenzie missed a few kicks, and threw a bad pass, and put up a shit defensive bomb. He's still the only guy we have whose passing is quick and accurate enough to get around the rush.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games? It's not like our forward pack is going to do a Blues and bully everyone else into submission. There's been plenty of comments about our lack of ball running, our lack of making the advantage line, our being static when we receive the ball.
McKenzie missed a few kicks, and threw a bad pass, and put up a shit defensive bomb. He's still the only guy we have whose passing is quick and accurate enough to get around the rush.He was not as one dimensional as posters acuse him of. He set his outsides and dictated play. What are we scared of? Worst case is he's exactly what you say, his game doesn't translate to test level. But what if he takes to it like a duck to water? I just don't see the downside of giving the kid a crack when the incumbents have not nailed their spots down
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Looking at this squad, I think the strongest loose forward trio is now Cane at 6, Sititi at 8 and Dalton at 7. Savea as an impact sub.
Cane and Dalton have high work rates and tackle everything, Cane is particularly hard hitting in defence. Dalton and Sititi have good ball carrying, Dalton links well as well. Blackadder, just no.
I did have a raised eyebrow for “both sides of the ball” watching Savea and Sititi miss tackles and be not that great going backwards.
As for ten, I d like for them to try Plummer for the first 50min and bring on DMac. Plummer gets his outsides going well, kicks for territory well, tackles well and runs hard and straight. DMac still plays for himself too much and does the Mounga run sideways and fuck up the backline thing.
Love deserves a shot at 15, can’t be worse than Jordan.
Ratima’s good performance shows it might be time to move on from the likes of TJ, BB, Savea.
Fosters (and Hansons) biggest faults were making it almost impossible to be dropped. Wallabies should be easy, time to build for the EOYT and put his own stamp on the team, RC is gone.
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Looking at this squad, I think the strongest loose forward trio is now Cane at 6, Sititi at 8 and Dalton at 7. Savea as an impact sub.
Cane and Dalton have high work rates and tackle everything, Cane is particularly hard hitting in defence. Dalton and Sititi have good ball carrying, Dalton links well as well. Blackadder, just no.
I did have a raised eyebrow for “both sides of the ball” watching Savea and Sititi miss tackles and be not that great going backwards.
As for ten, I d like for them to try Plummer for the first 50min and bring on DMac. Plummer gets his outsides going well, kicks for territory well, tackles well and runs hard and straight. DMac still plays for himself too much and does the Mounga run sideways and fuck up the backline thing.
Love deserves a shot at 15, can’t be worse than Jordan.
Ratima’s good performance shows it might be time to move on from the likes of TJ, BB, Savea.
Fosters (and Hansons) biggest faults were making it almost impossible to be dropped. Wallabies should be easy, time to build for the EOYT and put his own stamp on the team, RC is gone.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
As for ten, I d like for them to try Plummer for the first 50min and bring on DMac. Plummer gets his outsides going well, kicks for territory well, tackles well and runs hard and straight. DMac still plays for himself too much and does the Mounga run sideways and fuck up the backline thing.
Love deserves a shot at 15, can’t be worse than Jordan.
Or McKenzie at fullback with Love off the bench
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
As for ten, I d like for them to try Plummer for the first 50min and bring on DMac. Plummer gets his outsides going well, kicks for territory well, tackles well and runs hard and straight. DMac still plays for himself too much and does the Mounga run sideways and fuck up the backline thing.
Love deserves a shot at 15, can’t be worse than Jordan.
Or McKenzie at fullback with Love off the bench
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
As for ten, I d like for them to try Plummer for the first 50min and bring on DMac. Plummer gets his outsides going well, kicks for territory well, tackles well and runs hard and straight. DMac still plays for himself too much and does the Mounga run sideways and fuck up the backline thing.
Love deserves a shot at 15, can’t be worse than Jordan.
Or McKenzie at fullback with Love off the bench
Strikes me as the best way to give Plummer his debut.
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If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games? It's not like our forward pack is going to do a Blues and bully everyone else into submission. There's been plenty of comments about our lack of ball running, our lack of making the advantage line, our being static when we receive the ball.
McKenzie missed a few kicks, and threw a bad pass, and put up a shit defensive bomb. He's still the only guy we have whose passing is quick and accurate enough to get around the rush.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games?
What as opposed to our 0 try effort last night?
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Yeah can't say I understand the logic Plummer is only good as a bailout once your forwards have pummeled the opposition.
He's a very good attacking ten that takes great options and distributes extremely well. Might not be as nimble as DMac but from what I've seen he's at least as capable everywhere else and better at tactical kicking and taking it up.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games?
What as opposed to our 0 try effort last night?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games?
What as opposed to our 0 try effort last night?
Since DC we've been looking for this quicksilver style 10, that can razzle and dazzle, to succeed him. But people forget the guy was an excellent passer, kicker, and tactician. I don't see the harm in running the rule over a guy whose strengths lie more in that region. But at the same time Plummer's no pocket 10 in the O'Gara or Fox mold
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Plummer fast becoming the new (gets better the less he plays) favorite.
(though I agree he needs a shot)
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Plummer fast becoming the new (gets better the less he plays) favorite.
(though I agree he needs a shot)
Huh? People are just commenting he's played well and it might be good at have a backup ten that's not as shit as BB. Hardly favourite...
