All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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Meant to add - the post above asks again, for about the 300th time in the last 6 weeks, when Sami is expected back.
For a place where we get regular sauce on team naming that is often accurate, we have been fed absolutely nothing on this.
Can someone come to the party here*???
*not you George
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@voodoo I answered that a while back. He is aiming to be fit for the EOYT. No official updates, of course.
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Meant to add - the post above asks again, for about the 300th time in the last 6 weeks, when Sami is expected back.
For a place where we get regular sauce on team naming that is often accurate, we have been fed absolutely nothing on this.
Can someone come to the party here*???
*not you George
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Meant to add - the post above asks again, for about the 300th time in the last 6 weeks, when Sami is expected back.
He's an automatic selection, but hadn't been playing that well to be fair. Not like the last few years.
We desparately need ball carriers up front though, so hope he goes well and the Belltroversy can die off
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Dan54 I'm even worse off I read the Fern to ward off dementia
How do you know what's real and what isn't.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Dan54 I'm even worse off I read the Fern to ward off dementia
How do you know what's real and what isn't.
@BerniesCorner It's The Fern - It really doesn't matter
For the odd exception I apply the Winger principle.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Meant to add - the post above asks again, for about the 300th time in the last 6 weeks, when Sami is expected back.
He's an automatic selection, but hadn't been playing that well to be fair. Not like the last few years.
We desparately need ball carriers up front though, so hope he goes well and the Belltroversy can die off
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Meant to add - the post above asks again, for about the 300th time in the last 6 weeks, when Sami is expected back.
He's an automatic selection, but hadn't been playing that well to be fair. Not like the last few years.
We desparately need ball carriers up front though, so hope he goes well and the Belltroversy can die off
Taukei'aho was in excellent form at the end of the Super season, he was peaking perfectly.
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The only players who have showed better form than Super Rugby are George Bell and Stephen Perofeta.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The only players who have showed better form than Super Rugby are George Bell and Stephen Perofeta.
That's just not true...
Taylor and Vaa'i are definitely in better form.
Lomax, Darry, Sititi, Ratima, McKenzie, Ioane are all playing as well, if not better than they did during Super.
De Groot, Finau, Perenara, Jordie Barrett are pretty much on par.
A number of others have had injuries during either Super or the international season so it's hard to get a clear answer one way or another. Others haven't had a huge number of starting opportunities.
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@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
Sititi, Vaai or Roigard captain when he comes back.
Currently it's not working.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
Sititi, Vaai or Roigard captain when he comes back.
Currently it's not working.No reason Roigard can't take over the Head Coach role as well.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
Sititi, Vaai or Roigard captain when he comes back.
Currently it's not working.No reason Roigard can't take over the Head Coach role as well.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
Sititi, Vaai or Roigard captain when he comes back.
Currently it's not working.No reason Roigard can't take over the Head Coach role as well.
As long as it doesn’t get in the way of his other roles as Chairman of the NZR Board and Head of Junior Female Trans Player Development
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Have only managed to read thread till halftime point.
A few observations and apologies if others have already made same points.
ABs very good in first half and ought to have been at least a further five up at HT given TMO 'missed' critical angle on Jordie try.
Wobblies not good but with Ratima clearing well AB backs very sharp.
Second actually went all right to about 60. At least two butchered tries and Ratima no try.
TJS really slowed down clearances and box kick charged down badly at 63:10, but made at least two try saving tackles.
The sequence of events for ALB yellow was Williams no arms tackle (T not SB), Vaa'i shoulder crocked leaving LSL to pour through gap, then AB fatty slows ball close to line with ALB ending up being whipping boy, after not rolling, for three penalties in quick succession. Personally I think a warning ought first to have been issued.
With Cane and Vaa'i off our hitting power was noticeably less and Oz started to make dents down the middle which enabled them to build momentum. Jordie's absence seemed to allow Oz midfield more change.
Down to 14 (and then 13) we didn't hold possession to run clock down. Well we did for about two or three phases, but that hardly counts!
In last 12 minutes or so ABs made some good ground spreading ball wide, but all negated by running away from fattie support. I'd have liked five minutes of carry, clean, carry, clean. Gleeson was a nuisance when he came on.
Caleb Clarke was stupid, all the more so when under the absurd current protocols he can get yellow. Compare Willie Le Roux, whose yellow was probably try saving and thus a great decision.
By 70 Lomax was gassed and Scooter also slow. His bad hand still clearly hampering him.
Still we were holding. Great defence at 76. Sititi a pearl of a goal line turnover. Relieving penalty. Darry takes lineout cleanly but Aumua indecisive and lets himself get caught in maul instead of breaking away. Was TJS keeping him informed? And seemed RD didn't even join maul. WHY NOT? Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot!!!
Wobblies run the obvious play from resulting scrum. AB backs don't rush and the rest was history once Mustard 15m out.
Had Vaa'i not been injured, the right play was to bring Darry on for Scooter. We need to look at how Boks use Kolisi. And Tosi on by 65.
Relying on the decision making of the TJS/RD combo is not good for the blood pressure at the end of close games!
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@Mr-Fish Scott Barrett, Ardie Savea (I know he was in Japan rather than Super Rugby), Damien McKenzie and Aumua have all been very poor this year.
Jordie Barrett and Beauden Barrett have been very inconsistent.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Mr-Fish Scott Barrett, Ardie Savea (I know he was in Japan rather than Super Rugby), Damien McKenzie and Aumua have all been very poor this year.
Jordie Barrett and Beauden Barrett have been very inconsistent.
I don't know how you can call Damian very poor and at the same time just call Jordie/Beauden 'very inconsistent'.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The only players who have showed better form than Super Rugby are George Bell and Stephen Perofeta.
That's just not true...
Taylor and Vaa'i are definitely in better form.
Lomax, Darry, Sititi, Ratima, McKenzie, Ioane are all playing as well, if not better than they did during Super.
De Groot, Finau, Perenara, Jordie Barrett are pretty much on par.
A number of others have had injuries during either Super or the international season so it's hard to get a clear answer one way or another. Others haven't had a huge number of starting opportunities.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The only players who have showed better form than Super Rugby are George Bell and Stephen Perofeta.
That's just not true...
Taylor and Vaa'i are definitely in better form.
Lomax, Darry, Sititi, Ratima, McKenzie, Ioane are all playing as well, if not better than they did during Super.
De Groot, Finau, Perenara, Jordie Barrett are pretty much on par.
A number of others have had injuries during either Super or the international season so it's hard to get a clear answer one way or another. Others haven't had a huge number of starting opportunities.
None of those players are playing better than they were in Super Rugby. Taylor and Vaa’i were both excellent in Super Rugby so they doing what they did in SR.
Darry was definitely better for the Blues. Sititi hasn't reached the same level as what he displayed for the Chiefs. He's made mistakes that he wasn't making in Super Ruvby
Ratima has been a mixed bag for the ABs as have been the rest of those players you named. We consistently saw a strong running game from Ratima in SR but we only began to see glimpsed of that this for the ABs.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The only players who have showed better form than Super Rugby are George Bell and Stephen Perofeta.
That's just not true...
Taylor and Vaa'i are definitely in better form.
Lomax, Darry, Sititi, Ratima, McKenzie, Ioane are all playing as well, if not better than they did during Super.
De Groot, Finau, Perenara, Jordie Barrett are pretty much on par.
A number of others have had injuries during either Super or the international season so it's hard to get a clear answer one way or another. Others haven't had a huge number of starting opportunities.
None of those players are playing better than they were in Super Rugby. Taylor and Vaa’i were both excellent in Super Rugby so they doing what they did in SR.
Darry was definitely better for the Blues. Sititi hasn't reached the same level as what he displayed for the Chiefs. He's made mistakes that he wasn't making in Super Ruvby
Ratima has been a mixed bag for the ABs as have been the rest of those players you named. We consistently saw a strong running game from Ratima in SR but we only began to see glimpsed of that this for the ABs.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The only players who have showed better form than Super Rugby are George Bell and Stephen Perofeta.
That's just not true...
Taylor and Vaa'i are definitely in better form.
Lomax, Darry, Sititi, Ratima, McKenzie, Ioane are all playing as well, if not better than they did during Super.
De Groot, Finau, Perenara, Jordie Barrett are pretty much on par.
A number of others have had injuries during either Super or the international season so it's hard to get a clear answer one way or another. Others haven't had a huge number of starting opportunities.
None of those players are playing better than they were in Super Rugby. Taylor and Vaa’i were both excellent in Super Rugby so they doing what they did in SR.
Darry was definitely better for the Blues. Sititi hasn't reached the same level as what he displayed for the Chiefs. He's made mistakes that he wasn't making in Super Ruvby
Ratima has been a mixed bag for the ABs as have been the rest of those players you named. We consistently saw a strong running game from Ratima in SR but we only began to see glimpsed of that this week.
You're contradicting yourself between your own posts.
To be honest, I've basically disagreed with every single thing you've posted over the last week so we obviously just see thing very differently.
Will have to agree to disagree!
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Meant to add - the post above asks again, for about the 300th time in the last 6 weeks, when Sami is expected back.
For a place where we get regular sauce on team naming that is often accurate, we have been fed absolutely nothing on this.
Can someone come to the party here*???
*not you George
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Have only managed to read thread till halftime point.
A few observations and apologies if others have already made same points.
ABs very good in first half and ought to have been at least a further five up at HT given TMO 'missed' critical angle on Jordie try.
Wobblies not good but with Ratima clearing well AB backs very sharp.
Second actually went all right to about 60. At least two butchered tries and Ratima no try.
TJS really slowed down clearances and box kick charged down badly at 63:10, but made at least two try saving tackles.
The sequence of events for ALB yellow was Williams no arms tackle (T not SB), Vaa'i shoulder crocked leaving LSL to pour through gap, then AB fatty slows ball close to line with ALB ending up being whipping boy, after not rolling, for three penalties in quick succession. Personally I think a warning ought first to have been issued.
With Cane and Vaa'i off our hitting power was noticeably less and Oz started to make dents down the middle which enabled them to build momentum. Jordie's absence seemed to allow Oz midfield more change.
Down to 14 (and then 13) we didn't hold possession to run clock down. Well we did for about two or three phases, but that hardly counts!
In last 12 minutes or so ABs made some good ground spreading ball wide, but all negated by running away from fattie support. I'd have liked five minutes of carry, clean, carry, clean. Gleeson was a nuisance when he came on.
Caleb Clarke was stupid, all the more so when under the absurd current protocols he can get yellow. Compare Willie Le Roux, whose yellow was probably try saving and thus a great decision.
By 70 Lomax was gassed and Scooter also slow. His bad hand still clearly hampering him.
Still we were holding. Great defence at 76. Sititi a pearl of a goal line turnover. Relieving penalty. Darry takes lineout cleanly but Aumua indecisive and lets himself get caught in maul instead of breaking away. Was TJS keeping him informed? And seemed RD didn't even join maul. WHY NOT? Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot!!!
Wobblies run the obvious play from resulting scrum. AB backs don't rush and the rest was history once Mustard 15m out.
Had Vaa'i not been injured, the right play was to bring Darry on for Scooter. We need to look at how Boks use Kolisi. And Tosi on by 65.
Relying on the decision making of the TJS/RD combo is not good for the blood pressure at the end of close games!
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
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@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
Agree completely. However there doesn't seem much value in giving Hotham 10 minutes here and there when he's getting the boot as soon as Roigard is back, so while I disagree with TJ being there I do understand it.
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@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
@No-Quarter Thanks. Sometimes it’s a way of purging frustration! First half pretty good so no Rewatch.
Once the English and Fiji were out of way I’d have dropped TJ and kept Christie as the experienced 9. More suited to game plan, and with a future post 2024.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
Agree completely. However there doesn't seem much value in giving Hotham 10 minutes here and there when he's getting the boot as soon as Roigard is back, so while I disagree with TJ being there I do understand it.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
Agree completely. However there doesn't seem much value in giving Hotham 10 minutes here and there when he's getting the boot as soon as Roigard is back, so while I disagree with TJ being there I do understand it.
I think you will find Hotham will go on the EOYT
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
Agree completely. However there doesn't seem much value in giving Hotham 10 minutes here and there when he's getting the boot as soon as Roigard is back, so while I disagree with TJ being there I do understand it.
I think you will find Hotham will go on the EOYT
And TJ will not.@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
Agree completely. However there doesn't seem much value in giving Hotham 10 minutes here and there when he's getting the boot as soon as Roigard is back, so while I disagree with TJ being there I do understand it.
I think you will find Hotham will go on the EOYT
And TJ will not.I hope Lakai and not cane. I'm pissed he is still around. Not that he can't (sometomes) do the job but FFS move on!
