All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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Like the idea of giving proctor a run but only with JB at 12 as combinations will help him show his best.
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
Plummer, dont see the point of a player who is described as a 'made for test' style (% plays, kick for territory etc) is player you want off the bench. Surely he should start.
But if we have learnt anything this AB season super form doesnt count. Its now such a step down it is not a good measure.
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Just watched the ABs YouTube video of the last ten minutes. Three things seem pretty clear.
- Aumua was dreadful. Doesn’t really have an excuse with how long he’s been in the set up.
- Dmac’s defence was woeful in the lead up to the last try. Reiko saved his bacon with Dmac looking like he didn’t even want to tackle. Was incredibly slow to get into position over the next few phases, hiding at the back of the ruck.
- The lineout with the reserves on is poor.
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Like the idea of giving proctor a run but only with JB at 12 as combinations will help him show his best.
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
Plummer, dont see the point of a player who is described as a 'made for test' style (% plays, kick for territory etc) is player you want off the bench. Surely he should start.
But if we have learnt anything this AB season super form doesnt count. Its now such a step down it is not a good measure.
Trial one or two at most each game at most to see if they are up to test capability.@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
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Just watched the ABs YouTube video of the last ten minutes. Three things seem pretty clear.
- Aumua was dreadful. Doesn’t really have an excuse with how long he’s been in the set up.
- Dmac’s defence was woeful in the lead up to the last try. Reiko saved his bacon with Dmac looking like he didn’t even want to tackle. Was incredibly slow to get into position over the next few phases, hiding at the back of the ruck.
- The lineout with the reserves on is poor.
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Just watched the ABs YouTube video of the last ten minutes. Three things seem pretty clear.
- Aumua was dreadful. Doesn’t really have an excuse with how long he’s been in the set up.
- Dmac’s defence was woeful in the lead up to the last try. Reiko saved his bacon with Dmac looking like he didn’t even want to tackle. Was incredibly slow to get into position over the next few phases, hiding at the back of the ruck.
- The lineout with the reserves on is poor.
For me not so much lineout as maul that followed.
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@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
I find it difficult to comprehend the onfield leadership is much worse now when the foster years had so many disappointing performances as well , it’s just confusing and sounds like people are selective where they want to lie the blame .
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
I find it difficult to comprehend the onfield leadership is much worse now when the foster years had so many disappointing performances as well , it’s just confusing and sounds like people are selective where they want to lie the blame .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
I find it difficult to comprehend the onfield leadership is much worse now when the foster years had so many disappointing performances as well , it’s just confusing and sounds like people are selective where they want to lie the blame .
Unware I blamed anyone and pointed out it had been going on for years so don't get your selective comment.
My point is it's been on a downward slide for quite some time, maybe since 2018. There seemed to be an up-tick last year - Ellis Park, RWC - but it now seems to be getting worse again. We blew a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go against England a couple of years back and that sort of collapse has happened 2-3 times so far this year.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But, firstly, Richie's got to take the jersey back and even assuming he does, maybe DMac really wants to win a RWC.
Maybe this time Richie wants to?
3rd times a charm…!?
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But, firstly, Richie's got to take the jersey back and even assuming he does, maybe DMac really wants to win a RWC.
Maybe this time Richie wants to?
3rd times a charm…!?
Might need four goes - took Danny boy that many to properly win one!
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Feels like quite a big test for Aumua... has not been good enough for the ABs, and assuming Taukei'aho is not back (which would be bad news for him anyway) Bell is likely to get a crack against Japan, either starting or off the bench.
If Bell goes well, with how Aumua has gone they would be well within their rights to leave Aumua out.
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#23!!
Lam has more potential in the midfield than DH and I'd argue there are better fullbacks. Interesting that TJP has nearly as many caps as Savea. -
I hope that bench is literally strong enough, it is going to have to hold up two 140+kg props!
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Well, 6 of the bench are certainly dangerous with ball in hand (probably 5 given Aumua’s recent form). Two of them basically created most of our attack last week so let’s see what they can do in 12 minutes.
Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.
Havili just feels like bait to me. However he is there so I hope we goes well.
If we smash them (which I expect), this is likely going to be our new best 23….
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All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be.
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Yes the All Black squad is not supposed to be a training squad for fading Crusaders.
At least for the initial games it was understandable they went for experience and players that they could quickly fit into strategy, but that is beginning to wear thin. He/they can either coach new talent or they can't. -
Well, 6 of the bench are certainly dangerous with ball in hand (probably 5 given Aumua’s recent form). Two of them basically created most of our attack last week so let’s see what they can do in 12 minutes.
Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.
Havili just feels like bait to me. However he is there so I hope we goes well.
If we smash them (which I expect), this is likely going to be our new best 23….
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Havili just feels like bait to me. However he is there so I hope we goes well.
Unfortunately it couldn't be anyone else from the squad as Proctor doesn't provide 2nd 5 cover, and neither does Ioane. Robertson's comment seem to imply that DMac is the fullback cover too.
"Damian McKenzie can provide experienced cover at both first-five and fullback, as Beauden has previously, and it is great to bring David Havili in to complete the 23, providing strong depth across the back line. We are excited about the opportunity this week to put in a complete performance against the Wallabies in Wellington.”
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i just dont get it....players play well...and are rotated out after a game....others dont play well and play 80 every week
