Black Caps tour of India - 2024
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@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team. -
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
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@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat. -
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
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Ideas on how to produce rank bunsen burners at home?
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There is no way Patel is playing in NZ, we will be playing four seamers unless they think we have a pitch that is actually going to spin.
Four seamers plus the top six, leaves one spot avaible for either Young, Phillips or Santner.
Maybe Young is worth a shot if we think that Ravindra could take on the role of the fifth bowler.
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Ideas on how to produce rank bunsen burners at home?
@delicatessen said in Black Caps tour of India:
Ideas on how to produce rank bunsen burners at home?
Not knowing anything about pitch preparation, is this actually possible in NZ? or are we just not a dry enough country?
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@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
You need a spinner who takes the ball away at a big ground like Hagley.
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@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Yeah that team has a very “NZ at home” feel to it.
But even then there’s question marks about a debutant in Smith and if Southee can still genuinely contribute at this level.
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@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
You need a spinner who takes the ball away at a big ground like Hagley.
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
You need a spinner who takes the ball away at a big ground like Hagley.
The last game we played at Hagley, against Australia. Four seamers and Phillips as our frontline spinner. Went for under three an over.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
You need a spinner who takes the ball away at a big ground like Hagley.
The last game we played at Hagley, against Australia. Four seamers and Phillips as our frontline spinner. Went for under three an over.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
You need a spinner who takes the ball away at a big ground like Hagley.
The last game we played at Hagley, against Australia. Four seamers and Phillips as our frontline spinner. Went for under three an over.
V England not going to happen.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Yeah that team has a very “NZ at home” feel to it.
But even then there’s question marks about a debutant in Smith and if Southee can still genuinely contribute at this level.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Yeah that team has a very “NZ at home” feel to it.
But even then there’s question marks about a debutant in Smith and if Southee can still genuinely contribute at this level.
I'm a massive fan of Smith. Four right armers is a bit same-same too. I'm just scratching my brain to work out who a point of difference option is. Sears is injured I think. No real left armers available.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Yeah that team has a very “NZ at home” feel to it.
But even then there’s question marks about a debutant in Smith and if Southee can still genuinely contribute at this level.
I'm a massive fan of Smith. Four right armers is a bit same-same too. I'm just scratching my brain to work out who a point of difference option is. Sears is injured I think. No real left armers available.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Yeah that team has a very “NZ at home” feel to it.
But even then there’s question marks about a debutant in Smith and if Southee can still genuinely contribute at this level.
I'm a massive fan of Smith. Four right armers is a bit same-same too. I'm just scratching my brain to work out who a point of difference option is. Sears is injured I think. No real left armers available.
They might both be right armers, but for example the likes of O'Rouke and Smith are points of difference. O'Rouke has the obvious bounce from his height and from memory Smith is a bit more 'skiddy' and gets swing.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
Those innings by Young in India were match winners 2 -50's on a very difficult pitch when no other batsmen got to 30 and he gets dropped lol.without Young you don't win the 3rd test batting was a lot harder than bowling over there.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Yeah that team has a very “NZ at home” feel to it.
But even then there’s question marks about a debutant in Smith and if Southee can still genuinely contribute at this level.
I'm a massive fan of Smith. Four right armers is a bit same-same too. I'm just scratching my brain to work out who a point of difference option is. Sears is injured I think. No real left armers available.
They might both be right armers, but for example the likes of O'Rouke and Smith are points of difference. O'Rouke has the obvious bounce from his height and from memory Smith is a bit more 'skiddy' and gets swing.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
Those innings by Young in India were match winners 2 -50's on a very difficult pitch when no other batsmen got to 30 and he gets dropped lol.without Young you don't win the 3rd test batting was a lot harder than bowling over there.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
Those innings by Young in India were match winners 2 -50's on a very difficult pitch when no other batsmen got to 30 and he gets dropped lol.without Young you don't win the 3rd test batting was a lot harder than bowling over there.
I appreciate the white knighting of Young given I am a fan and he can rightly say he played a massive part in us winning the series. No huge scores but absolutely crucial, timely runs
Fuck it, why change a winning team ?
We’ll only pick KW if one of the top five get injured.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
Those innings by Young in India were match winners 2 -50's on a very difficult pitch when no other batsmen got to 30 and he gets dropped lol.without Young you don't win the 3rd test batting was a lot harder than bowling over there.
I appreciate the white knighting of Young given I am a fan and he can rightly say he played a massive part in us winning the series. No huge scores but absolutely crucial, timely runs
Fuck it, why change a winning team ?
We’ll only pick KW if one of the top five get injured.
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Young has to stay Kane back in Blundel to 7
Phillips gone, not enough runs and you don’t need another spinner you have Ravindra as a back up 2nd spinner.
Phillips will not bowl in NZ conditions and doesn’t warrant a batting spot ahead of the others on form,
Too hard to throw your opening bat the gloves in test matches he would be on a hiding to nothing.
And you do not need your opening bat to do a finger keeping.This is absolutely crazy talk.
Philips took five in Wellington just this year.
Shit happens when he comes on to bowl….
I will admit he has been a tad disappointing with his batting returns and the performance of Patel and Santner makes it a tough decision……
But Philips spot in the side is safe surely.
I don't believe it is.
You do not need 2 or 3 spinning options in NZ, he does not hold his place ahead of the top 6 with Williams back, to have him in you have to not pick Young which would be foolish
Or you pick Phillips as the no.1 spinner not an option in my book or you go with 2 seamers in NZ which is crazy.Young played well. I just can't see him retained with Williamson back. A pre-christmas test series is one where you want someone like Phillips, and don't need to pick a specialist spinner. Phillips development as a spinner has been brillant. Still leaks some runs. Just a top genuine wicket taking option now. He has even mentioned he enjoys bowling more than batting. Then run a seam attack of O'Rourke, Southee, Henry and Nathan Smith. Smith deserves a shot. He'd balance the side well at 8 too.
Nah I don't agree with that.
You don't need an unbalanced team.We all have opinions. Mine is that Phillips is very safe. That we will play four seamers and Will Young will carry the drinks. I just don't see the value in moving around the batting order for a guy who still hadn't scored a test century in 34 innings.
I would select a spinner who takes the ball away from the English batsmen who are very aggressive.
They will sit on off stump to negate an off spinner in NZ conditions.They will handle an off spinner pretty well.Someone who takes it away is more of a threat.Yeah and I'm picking Phillips on the basis that seamers generally dominate the bowli load at this time of year. I also don't have a lot of faith in Young. Looks a million bucks then regularly gets out early. Again, 34 innings as a top order batsman and no centuries. Blundell is the selection question I'm interested in. He will be retained. Needs to be ushered out though
Those innings by Young in India were match winners 2 -50's on a very difficult pitch when no other batsmen got to 30 and he gets dropped lol.without Young you don't win the 3rd test batting was a lot harder than bowling over there.
I appreciate the white knighting of Young given I am a fan and he can rightly say he played a massive part in us winning the series.
Fuck it, why change a winning team ?
We’ll only pick KW if one of the top five get injured.
Mate I used to bag Young for not covering his off stump and knicking off all the time, but credit were its due he has sorted that and toughed it out I respect that.
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Does Young struggle with pace? No idea what the stats say.
If he's technically perfect but can't get into position soon enough to combat elite pace bowling with movement, could that explain his lean start as well as his good run in India?@delicatessen said in Black Caps tour of India:
Does Young struggle with pace? No idea what the stats say.
If he's technically perfect but can't get into position soon enough to combat elite pace bowling with movement, could that explain his lean start as well as his good run in India?Yep he never covered his off stump and used to knick off all the time,but has sorted that if you watch his set up in India.
