Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season
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@BerniesCorner said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
We have uncovered a lot of new players this year. 2/3 will be a good result.
I think another big improvement has been players live Vaa'i who've come into the team in the last few years maturing,
@Victor-Meldrew said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@BerniesCorner said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
We have uncovered a lot of new players this year. 2/3 will be a good result.
I think another big improvement has been players live Vaa'i who've come into the team in the last few years maturing,
Think about the tight 5 and the replacements that Fozzie had in his first year.
Now think about the tight 5 Razor has at his disposal (no Whitelock granted) in his first year. And the back ups.
It’s a hell of a platform to build a team around.
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@mariner4life said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@gt12 said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
And if you then start dropping players and sacking coaches because of these delusional expectations you'll rapidly go into a downward spiral where you're trawling Heartland rugby for All Blacks, because everyone at the higher level is a proven failure!
The slipperiest of slopes as used to justify poor coaching and selection.
Equally hopeless is analysis that says - we lost - the coaches are fucking useless. This player made a mistake, we must drop him.
As just one example, half the Fern has been calling for Ardie Savea to be dropped. But, he's the reigning World Player of the Year. Wouldn't it be a lot more sensible to back him, coach him where he's been making errors and expect that he'll come right? Because the standard you're aspiring to is winning the WPotY - it seems to me that Ardie is the most likely to reach that standard - since he's proven he can do it - no matter how promising Sititi or Sotutu might look.
valid. ish.
The flip side is, how long do you put up with ignoring rucks, soft tackles and a misfiring run game in the hope that it all comes right? Especially when your reason is an individual award that most don't agree with most years?
You can never call for a player to get dropped after one down game. Very few players are up every single test. When a season long pattern emerges however, exactly how long are you supposed to hold on hoping for a reversal?
Yes - at some point everyone reaches the end. But, I don't think Ardie's showing diminished physical attributes in terms of speed and strength - so it's likely form, which should be able to be coached.
On the other hand, we've got Sammy Cane, who they're probably squeezing the last drops out of the lemon - but, given the sudden loosie injury crisis, I'm quite pleased they've persisted with him. But, the end of this year will be far enough, I think.
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@mariner4life said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@gt12 said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
And if you then start dropping players and sacking coaches because of these delusional expectations you'll rapidly go into a downward spiral where you're trawling Heartland rugby for All Blacks, because everyone at the higher level is a proven failure!
The slipperiest of slopes as used to justify poor coaching and selection.
Equally hopeless is analysis that says - we lost - the coaches are fucking useless. This player made a mistake, we must drop him.
As just one example, half the Fern has been calling for Ardie Savea to be dropped. But, he's the reigning World Player of the Year. Wouldn't it be a lot more sensible to back him, coach him where he's been making errors and expect that he'll come right? Because the standard you're aspiring to is winning the WPotY - it seems to me that Ardie is the most likely to reach that standard - since he's proven he can do it - no matter how promising Sititi or Sotutu might look.
valid. ish.
The flip side is, how long do you put up with ignoring rucks, soft tackles and a misfiring run game in the hope that it all comes right? Especially when your reason is an individual award that most don't agree with most years?
You can never call for a player to get dropped after one down game. Very few players are up every single test. When a season long pattern emerges however, exactly how long are you supposed to hold on hoping for a reversal?
Yes - at some point everyone reaches the end. But, I don't think Ardie's showing diminished physical attributes in terms of speed and strength - so it's likely form, which should be able to be coached.
On the other hand, we've got Sammy Cane, who they're probably squeezing the last drops out of the lemon - but, given the sudden loosie injury crisis, I'm quite pleased they've persisted with him. But, the end of this year will be far enough, I think.
Ardie is catnip to the Instagram reel and Youtube short generation.
His highlight reel is superb.
But these days himself and Beaudy are all icing and no cake.
Ardie can rediscover it, he just needs to ditch the superman cape and get back to bread and butter industriousness.
Beaudy is toast.
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The current coaching ticket are vibes guys. Coaching on feels.
There seems (from my barstool) to be a lack of ruthlessness in the camp, parting ways with Leon aside.
If I hear Jase Ryan saying how much he "cares" again and how everything gets sorted over a peppermint tea in his room im going to punch walls.
Give me Jerry Collins smoking fags on his balcony over this shower of shrinking violets.
Get out there and start rekking kuntz .
You made it to the allblacks. Now show us you deserve to stay.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@BerniesCorner said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
We have uncovered a lot of new players this year. 2/3 will be a good result.
I think another big improvement has been players live Vaa'i who've come into the team in the last few years maturing,
Think about the tight 5 and the replacements that Fozzie had in his first year.
Now think about the tight 5 Razor has at his disposal (no Whitelock granted) in his first year. And the back ups.
It’s a hell of a platform to build a team around.
@DaGrubster said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@BerniesCorner said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
We have uncovered a lot of new players this year. 2/3 will be a good result.
I think another big improvement has been players live Vaa'i who've come into the team in the last few years maturing,
Think about the tight 5 and the replacements that Fozzie had in his first year.
Now think about the tight 5 Razor has at his disposal (no Whitelock granted) in his first year. And the back ups.
It’s a hell of a platform to build a team around.
To be fair Razor / Ryan has built up the propping depth and Taylor is playing consistently better (but that may a coincidence) and they have also developed or further developed a promising lock or two.
It is in the loose forwards where there is a Jurassic meets Benny Hill situation. -
@DaGrubster said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@BerniesCorner said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
We have uncovered a lot of new players this year. 2/3 will be a good result.
I think another big improvement has been players live Vaa'i who've come into the team in the last few years maturing,
Think about the tight 5 and the replacements that Fozzie had in his first year.
Now think about the tight 5 Razor has at his disposal (no Whitelock granted) in his first year. And the back ups.
It’s a hell of a platform to build a team around.
To be fair Razor / Ryan has built up the propping depth and Taylor is playing consistently better (but that may a coincidence) and they have also developed or further developed a promising lock or two.
It is in the loose forwards where there is a Jurassic meets Benny Hill situation.@nostrildamus said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@DaGrubster said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@BerniesCorner said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
We have uncovered a lot of new players this year. 2/3 will be a good result.
I think another big improvement has been players live Vaa'i who've come into the team in the last few years maturing,
Think about the tight 5 and the replacements that Fozzie had in his first year.
Now think about the tight 5 Razor has at his disposal (no Whitelock granted) in his first year. And the back ups.
It’s a hell of a platform to build a team around.
To be fair Razor / Ryan has built up the propping depth and Taylor is playing consistently better (but that may a coincidence) and they have also developed or further developed a promising lock or two.
It is in the loose forwards where there is a Jurassic meets Benny Hill situation.Razor has inherited it mate.
No problem with that though.
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Nice time to revisit this.
We're heading in to a French game with some belief, and with the tour already a success.
Couple of very different wins, but over all we're doing pretty well
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Nice time to revisit this.
We're heading in to a French game with some belief, and with the tour already a success.
Couple of very different wins, but over all we're doing pretty well
@mariner4life said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Nice time to revisit this.
We're heading in to a French game with some belief, and with the tour already a success.
Couple of very different wins, but over all we're doing pretty well
This tour was always going to make or break after an indifferent RC. So far it might be the making of the team in 2025
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Good year for Razor. Some great young players coming through too.
@BerniesCorner said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Good year for Razor. Some great young players coming through too.
Um.
It will be an ok year if we go through unbeaten on this tour.
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Lucky win against England
Good win this morning but Ireland were poor. Dropped a lot of ball and opened the door for us to walk through@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Lucky win against England
Good win this morning but Ireland were poor. Dropped a lot of ball and opened the door for us to walk throughWins are wins mate. We showed some composure in both, more than can be said for our play during the RC losses vs Argentina and SA. Baby steps
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@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Lucky win against England
Good win this morning but Ireland were poor. Dropped a lot of ball and opened the door for us to walk throughWins are wins mate. We showed some composure in both, more than can be said for our play during the RC losses vs Argentina and SA. Baby steps
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@canefan yep. We played a lot better this week against the odds.
Relying on the opposition to miss penalty kicks and drop goals is a lucky win.
Delighted though, two from two is a bloody good effort
@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@canefan yep. We played a lot better this week against the odds.
Relying on the opposition to miss penalty kicks and drop goals is a lucky win.
Delighted though, two from two is a bloody good effort
The bar is lower right now because we are a long way from the polished article. But we are slowly developing winning habits that weren't there earlier. The boys should take huge heart from today, while still realising they have much to improve
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Nice time to revisit this.
We're heading in to a French game with some belief, and with the tour already a success.
Couple of very different wins, but over all we're doing pretty well
@mariner4life said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Nice time to revisit this.
We're heading in to a French game with some belief, and with the tour already a success.
Couple of very different wins, but over all we're doing pretty well
Thought about this today.
Assuming a win against Italy, not being smacked by France would constitute a pass mark for the season.
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Lucky win against England
Good win this morning but Ireland were poor. Dropped a lot of ball and opened the door for us to walk through@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Lucky win against England
Nah. We were better. Sliding doors. Would have been an unlucky loss. Deserved win.
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@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Lucky win against England
Nah. We were better. Sliding doors. Would have been an unlucky loss. Deserved win.
@booboo said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Lucky win against England
Nah. We were better. Sliding doors. Would have been an unlucky loss. Deserved win.
An England win would have been lucky IMO. They did not deserve to win this game as they were not dominant up front while their backline was unable to threaten the NZ try line. It's only the poor NZ discipline that kept them in the game.
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@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Lucky win against England
Nah. We were better. Sliding doors. Would have been an unlucky loss. Deserved win.
@booboo said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
Lucky win against England
Nah. We were better. Sliding doors.
Life is so unfair, a win solely due to our superior climate.
It's almost like NH scribes were destined to choke on a giant pie slice of karma. -
I think this is the difference between Kiwi fans and most other sides.
I'm with @booboo re sliding doors in the English game, shit, they created fuck all, got thier try against the run of play, so really were never in it, but were, so we werent lucky to win, they were lucky to be in a position to steal it.
A win is a win, luck, good fortune, whatever, is still a W.
We seem to want to want a comprehensive win every time, regardless of oppostion.
Sure Ireland may have been poor, but this was often the result of the pressure we put on them.
I think some on here, similar to Fozzies time in the saddle, want to find shit to pick holes in everything for this coaching group (granted the media have played thier part) rather than enjoy the win for what it was, an away win over the Irish, that were currently ranked #1.
Sure some of the rugby hasnt been pretty, but fuck, 2 wins away v England then Ireland, that plenty thought we'd lose, sets us up for an epic encounter with France, that if we win, has to set us along the right path after the hiccups earlier in the year.
