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All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham

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    #127

    With some talk on here about how NZ deal with the blitz defence it will be interesting to see how England's defence goes. It was beginning to come together for Felix Jones but he has left and we now have Jo ElAbd who is promising to build on Jones' work. Let's hope for evolution rather than revolution. Having just gone through it once we don't have the time for the latter.

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      @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

      @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

      I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?

      I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average

      It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.

      It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis

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      @DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

      @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

      @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

      I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?

      I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average

      It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.

      It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis

      For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct

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      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

        @Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

        @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

        But I guess the bench Vs England will be something like this:

        Aumua, Williams, Tosi, Tuipolutu, Finau, Roigard, DMac, ALB.

        I think your team and bench will be pretty close.

        I'm inclined to think they might have pulled Reece early vs Japan because they plan to play him vs England.

        Pretty certain the starting loose forwards will be Sititi, Cane and Savea - in fact, I'll be amazed if they're not. Other question marks....

        Finau or Lakai?
        Tosi or Newell?
        Roigard or Perenara?

        Lakai, though i would really worry about our physicality in the tackle when Cane gets subbed
        Tosi, Newell doesn't offer much
        God i hope it's Roigard even if he wasn't exactly amazing on Saturday.

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        @mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

        God i hope it's Roigard even if he wasn't exactly amazing on Saturday.

        So do I. Ratima to start with Roigard on the bench to give him game time. Keep TJP as injury cover.

        I also have a sneaking suspicion Ratima will be the 1st choice 9 by next year with Roigard pushing him all he way. Nice position to be in.

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        • sparkyS sparky

          @MiketheSnow Will Greenwood is good. Gavin Muirs at the Daily Telegraph is okay. But yeah, beyond that you're going to learn much more these days from specialist Rugby content providers

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          @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

          @MiketheSnow Will Greenwood is good. Gavin Muirs at the Daily Telegraph is okay. But yeah, beyond that you're going to learn much more these days from specialist Rugby content providers

          Keo and Zels on SA Rugby Mag are the best.

          They know all the players, even youth players coming through. They take an interest in the opposition.

          I never get bored listening to them.

          And they actually have some "takes", as opposed to the fence sitting we get served up in NZ.

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          • MajorPomM MajorPom

            @MiketheSnow which forums do you get insight from …. 🙂

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            @MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

            @MiketheSnow which forums do you get insight from …. 🙂

            The Polish ones

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            • canefanC canefan

              @DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

              @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

              @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

              I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?

              I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average

              It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.

              It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis

              For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct

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              @canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

              @DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

              @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

              @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

              I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?

              I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average

              It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.

              It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis

              For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct

              Yeah, he is really good to listen. I agreed with him but the I wondered if they don’t want to play a more direct style to give England a game to analyse so close to playing them

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              • D DaGrubster

                @canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                @DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?

                I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average

                It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.

                It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis

                For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct

                Yeah, he is really good to listen. I agreed with him but the I wondered if they don’t want to play a more direct style to give England a game to analyse so close to playing them

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                @DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                @canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                @DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?

                I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average

                It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.

                It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis

                For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct

                Yeah, he is really good to listen. I agreed with him but the I wondered if they don’t want to play a more direct style or gameplan close to what we are trying to play against England, so we don’t give England a game to analyse

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                • BovidaeB Bovidae

                  Tubby Barnes firing some early shots. I don't see the ABs beating the rush defence with BB at 1st 5.

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360467785/former-england-star-turned-scribe-takes-pot-shot-beauden-barrett-ahead-all-blacks

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                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                  Tubby Barnes firing some early shots. I don't see the ABs beating the rush defence with BB at 1st 5.

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360467785/former-england-star-turned-scribe-takes-pot-shot-beauden-barrett-ahead-all-blacks

                  Agree with pretty much all of what he said to be honest.

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                  • sparkyS Offline
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                    England have named their team:

                    https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1851277893256503653

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                      Reckon we need to at least name Temu in the starting XV.

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                      • D DaGrubster

                        @canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                        @DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                        @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                        @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                        I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?

                        I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average

                        It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.

                        It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis

                        For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct

                        Yeah, he is really good to listen. I agreed with him but the I wondered if they don’t want to play a more direct style to give England a game to analyse so close to playing them

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                        @DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                        @canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                        @DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                        @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                        @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                        I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?

                        I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average

                        It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.

                        It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis

                        For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct

                        Yeah, he is really good to listen. I agreed with him but the I wondered if they don’t want to play a more direct style to give England a game to analyse so close to playing them

                        Keeping the powder dry?

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                        • sparkyS sparky

                          England have named their team:

                          https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1851277893256503653

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                          @sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                          England have named their team:

                          I think they need a few more VCs.

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                          • sparkyS Offline
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                            A 6-2 split on the England bench in case you were wondering.

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                            • BonesB Bones

                              Reckon we need to at least name Temu in the starting XV.

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                              @Bones said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                              Reckon we need to at least name Temu in the starting XV.

                              were you offering that 40% off code again

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                              • nzzpN nzzp

                                @Bones said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                                Reckon we need to at least name Temu in the starting XV.

                                were you offering that 40% off code again

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                                @nzzp said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                                Reckon we need to at least name Temu in the starting XV.

                                were you offering that 40% off code again

                                Only in the final quarter.

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                                • MajorPomM MajorPom

                                  @sparky who believes they are that good?

                                  They aren't as shit as being made out on here, but they aren't amazing either.

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                                  @MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

                                  @sparky who believes they are that good?

                                  They aren't as shit as being made out on here, but they aren't amazing either.

                                  we are strong favourites against England. So there's that - now we have to execute

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                                    Ruben Love won't be featuring for the ABs:

                                    https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1851341790550589677

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                                      good, better to keep him playing.

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                                        Think most of the starting side picks itself. Big question is who takes the last back position I reckon.
                                        EDG/Taylor/Lomax
                                        Barrett/Vaa'i
                                        Sititi/Savea/Cane
                                        Ratima/?
                                        J Barrett/Ioane
                                        Clarke/?/?

                                        B Barrett and Jordan will take two of those spots, where they play depends on who fills the other spot. Suspect it will be Reece on the right wing, but could easily be Perofeta at 15 or DMac at 10.

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                                          I think
                                          10 DMac
                                          14 Jordan
                                          15 BB

                                          is the strongest we can put out. Moving BB to 10 weakens 10 and 14 (and is short term). Jordan has his failings, but Reece is really struggling in Tests this year

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