All Blacks vs Ireland
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Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
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What I know so far is Dmac will be 10 which isn’t a surprise. Perofeta is on the bench.
Hoping to get the rest later tonight
@Landers92 suggests Jordan to wing with BB at fullback then eh....tough on Telea then as can't see a place for him on the bench.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I don't think it's a feud from a NZ point of view. More a noisy rival with a very different rugby culture at the moment to our own.
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What I know so far is Dmac will be 10 which isn’t a surprise. Perofeta is on the bench.
Hoping to get the rest later tonight
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
What I know so far is Dmac will be 10 which isn’t a surprise. Perofeta is on the bench.
Hoping to get the rest later tonight
I suspect the rest of the backline will be mostly unchanged. Maybe a swap at half back?
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
So what ?
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
So what ?
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
So what ?
Are you seriously trying to suggest Kriel is a better athlete than Ioane?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
So what ?
Are you seriously trying to suggest Kriel is a better athlete than Ioane?
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
So what ?
Are you seriously trying to suggest Kriel is a better athlete than Ioane?
Well I’m certainly disputing the statement that Ioane is apparently the greatest athlete playing rugby these days. Maybe ever ?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
Imagine how much of an athlete Basteraud was.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
What I know so far is Dmac will be 10 which isn’t a surprise. Perofeta is on the bench.
Hoping to get the rest later tonight
I suspect the rest of the backline will be mostly unchanged. Maybe a swap at half back?
@sparky I hope they don't swap the halfbacks around (for this game at least).
Ratima and McKenzie have a pretty good combination, and I think a fresh Roigard coming off the bench is going to provide a bit of extra playmaking / running threat as well as another kicker and take a little bit of pressure off McKenzie at exactly the right time - when he's starting to tire a bit, and when we've struggled in the last 20 minutes. I think Roigard offers more than Ratima in that role, especially given Beauden is out completely so McKenzie may well play 80. -
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
Imagine how much of an athlete Basteraud was.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
Imagine how much of an athlete Basteraud was.
You’re not such a bad athlete yourself fella xx
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
Imagine how much of an athlete Basteraud was.
You’re not such a bad athlete yourself fella xx
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@MN5 nah I've dropped a few kegs, instead of nearing the tonne I'm nearing the mid 80s. Not nearly as athletic as I was 6 months ago. Probably getting shorter too.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 nah I've dropped a few kegs, instead of nearing the tonne I'm nearing the mid 80s. Not nearly as athletic as I was 6 months ago. Probably getting shorter too.
Probably still a match for Jesse Kriel.
Not a patch on Reiko Ioane though.
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https://twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1853667864852770914
Did Kevin Mealamu get a couple of shots in? :thumbs_up:
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
So what ?
Are you seriously trying to suggest Kriel is a better athlete than Ioane?
Well I’m certainly disputing the statement that Ioane is apparently the greatest athlete playing rugby these days. Maybe ever ?
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
So what ?
Are you seriously trying to suggest Kriel is a better athlete than Ioane?
Well I’m certainly disputing the statement that Ioane is apparently the greatest athlete playing rugby these days. Maybe ever ?
I thought the comment actually was "He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13"
So maybe we could list the biggest, fastest, heaviest, (and most agile?) 13s currently playing the game. I doubt Rieko is the most coordinated. And I gotta say Kriel has become a pretty handy 13 (arguably Am is better at 13, but I'd really like us to have a 12 like De Allende).
And possibly this guy will return to form (at 13?) https://www.aap.com.au/news/wallaby-kerevi-prepares-to-be-best-in-the-world-again/
