All Blacks v France
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
Not a fan of this selection. McKenzie is far and away the better ten, and Robertson is putting him in a position where he is likely to come on late and have to chase the game - then he's going to have to try things, mistakes will happen, and he will get rubbished as erratic. .
Or, he comes on and plays really well - and the other idiots pipe up with "see, I told you he is best used off the bench"
I’ll happily put my hand up as an idiot because I still think that is where DMac has been at his best.
And yes, all until Mo’unga returns or FABRR makes the squad…..
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
Not a fan of this selection. McKenzie is far and away the better ten, and Robertson is putting him in a position where he is likely to come on late and have to chase the game - then he's going to have to try things, mistakes will happen, and he will get rubbished as erratic. .
Or, he comes on and plays really well - and the other idiots pipe up with "see, I told you he is best used off the bench"
I’ll happily put my hand up as an idiot because I still think that is where DMac has been at his best.
And yes, all until Mo’unga returns or FABRR makes the squad…..
I'd suggest watching the first half+ of SA #1 again. McKenzie creates about 3 opportunities in the first 5 minutes, and is part of every try except an intercept. Kicks well too.
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this is the game of the weekend as far as i'm concerned. Hoping France turn up and the noise is insane. Will be nice to see the second best 9 (and best player ever) in the world again,
@Dodge said in All Blacks v France:
Will be nice to see the second best 9 (and best player ever) in the world again,
Watch the changing of the guard.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks v France:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v France:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks v France:
Must be 1st time since 2006 EOYT (Collins, Masoe, Luaki) All Blacks have a non-NZ Euro starting LF trio?
Also, I actually can't ever recall us having an entire forward bench with no NZ Euro guys, is this a first?
I think we've rolled out Ioane/Frizell, Papali'i, Savea at some stage in the last couple of years.
I forgot about Dalton's PI heritage, i'm curious if Ioane/Frizzell, Papali'i, Savea have actually started together, usually it was Cane at 7, then when he got injured Blackadder, Papali'i, Savea was the combo for most of 2021, then Frizzell Cane Savea for 2022-2023
You forgot about Dalton PAPALI'I's PI heritage?
Cane and obviously Blackadder were injured a lot.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v France:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks v France:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v France:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks v France:
Must be 1st time since 2006 EOYT (Collins, Masoe, Luaki) All Blacks have a non-NZ Euro starting LF trio?
Also, I actually can't ever recall us having an entire forward bench with no NZ Euro guys, is this a first?
I think we've rolled out Ioane/Frizell, Papali'i, Savea at some stage in the last couple of years.
I forgot about Dalton's PI heritage, i'm curious if Ioane/Frizzell, Papali'i, Savea have actually started together, usually it was Cane at 7, then when he got injured Blackadder, Papali'i, Savea was the combo for most of 2021, then Frizzell Cane Savea for 2022-2023
You forgot about Dalton PAPALI'I's PI heritage?
Cane and obviously Blackadder were injured a lot.
I also forget Finau, Papali'i, Savea started in the 1st tests of 2024, so yeah.... i got it wrong.
About the bench thing though it just seems to me we've always had 1-2 guys in the bench forwards, usually a prop or hooker or white lock (no pun intended........) or LF who's NZ Euro
for this test there's none and I'm trying to think of last time it occurred
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this is the game of the weekend as far as i'm concerned. Hoping France turn up and the noise is insane. Will be nice to see the second best 9 (and best player ever) in the world again,
@Dodge said in All Blacks v France:
Will be nice to see the second best 9 (and best player ever) in the world again
So that French guy (and Roigard)? You have a good eye for worldclass talent.
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this is the game of the weekend as far as i'm concerned. Hoping France turn up and the noise is insane. Will be nice to see the second best 9 (and best player ever) in the world again,
@Dodge said in All Blacks v France:
this is the game of the weekend as far as i'm concerned. Hoping France turn up and the noise is insane. Will be nice to see the second best 9 (and best player ever) in the world again,
Wot? SA vs Poms?
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@Dodge said in All Blacks v France:
this is the game of the weekend as far as i'm concerned. Hoping France turn up and the noise is insane. Will be nice to see the second best 9 (and best player ever) in the world again,
Wot? SA vs Poms?
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v France:
@Dodge said in All Blacks v France:
this is the game of the weekend as far as i'm concerned. Hoping France turn up and the noise is insane. Will be nice to see the second best 9 (and best player ever) in the world again,
Wot? SA vs Poms?
England are going to play negatively and still get battered.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v France:
I bet Groot is pissed he missed that one meeting
What about Procter. Attended every meeting and still can’t get on the bench for this game.
Pretty hard to play off the bench from NZ.
At this rate, he will be lost to Nz rugby and it will be all down to Razor snubbing him in this tour
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v France:
I bet Groot is pissed he missed that one meeting
What about Procter. Attended every meeting and still can’t get on the bench for this game.
Pretty hard to play off the bench from NZ.
At this rate, he will be lost to Nz rugby and it will be all down to Razor snubbing him in this tour
Laidlaw needs to give him a few games at 12 to prove he's serviceable there too. Then we can dispel the nonsense that Havili is above Proctor on the pecking order because he can play 12 and 13 and Proctor can't. It's tough as well because Rieko is playing well at 13
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v France:
I bet Groot is pissed he missed that one meeting
What about Procter. Attended every meeting and still can’t get on the bench for this game.
Pretty hard to play off the bench from NZ.
At this rate, he will be lost to Nz rugby and it will be all down to Razor snubbing him in this tour
Laidlaw needs to give him a few games at 12 to prove he's serviceable there too. Then we can dispel the nonsense that Havili is above Proctor on the pecking order because he can play 12 and 13 and Proctor can't. It's tough as well because Rieko is playing well at 13
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
Either way, I expect Havili to be squeezed out by one of these young guns by next season. His ceiling is low, and these guys can be the future if we care to find out
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
Didn’t he only play there in games the Crusaders lost and he got repeatedly charged down ?
May as well put Fletcher Newell down for first five cover.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
Either way, I expect Havili to be squeezed out by one of these young guns by next season. His ceiling is low, and these guys can be the future if we care to find out
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
Either way, I expect Havili to be squeezed out by one of these young guns by next season. His ceiling is low, and these guys can be the future if we care to find out
He should be squeezed out now. Our utility back bench choice is rotated between a guy who doesn't suit coming off the bench in ALB and a guy who is 2 years past it in Havili. It's ridiculous.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
Either way, I expect Havili to be squeezed out by one of these young guns by next season. His ceiling is low, and these guys can be the future if we care to find out
He should be squeezed out now. Our utility back bench choice is rotated between a guy who doesn't suit coming off the bench in ALB and a guy who is 2 years past it in Havili. It's ridiculous.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
Either way, I expect Havili to be squeezed out by one of these young guns by next season. His ceiling is low, and these guys can be the future if we care to find out
He should be squeezed out now. Our utility back bench choice is rotated between a guy who doesn't suit coming off the bench in ALB and a guy who is 2 years past it in Havili. It's ridiculous.
Slim pickings though eh, with all the NZXV midfield and outside backs having an absolute shocker.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
Either way, I expect Havili to be squeezed out by one of these young guns by next season. His ceiling is low, and these guys can be the future if we care to find out
He should be squeezed out now. Our utility back bench choice is rotated between a guy who doesn't suit coming off the bench in ALB and a guy who is 2 years past it in Havili. It's ridiculous.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan big and fast enough to cover wing too, and sew up a spot in the 23.
Should be there, DH is yesterday's (journey)man
Agree, but as of now Havili covers 12, 13, 15. 10 in an absolute emergency. Proctor is seen as 13 only, and he needs to change that. The real risk to his spot is AJ Lam I think, who can play wing and is getting to play both 12 and 13.
Either way, I expect Havili to be squeezed out by one of these young guns by next season. His ceiling is low, and these guys can be the future if we care to find out
He should be squeezed out now. Our utility back bench choice is rotated between a guy who doesn't suit coming off the bench in ALB and a guy who is 2 years past it in Havili. It's ridiculous.
Amen brother, you know how I feel. The guy should never have been in the squad this season in the first place. He's just holding younger players up
