All Blacks v France
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Since when has Havili been seen as a 13 option?
When Havili is on the pine he's really only covering 12. McKenzie/Barrett/Perofeta is covering 10 and fullback. I'd argue Proctor is actually more useful on the bench than Havili because he can cover centre (something Havili cannot do), and if a winger goes off injured then Rieko will shift out and Proctor can play at 13.
If you have two injuries then Havili becomes more useful, but that's such a rare occurrence that it's not really worth factoring in at the expense of using a better player.
It's really only ALB that's ahead of Proctor in the queue for bench cover.
Proctor also played at second five as recently as 2022 and fullback back in 2019 and 2020 (although only ever for Wellington).
Havili's last game at fullback was in 2021 (he only played there once) - so it's not like he's had a lot of experience outside of 12 in recent years either (other than a few games at 10 this year, which didn't go especially well).
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France:
Since when has Havili been seen as a 13 option?
When Havili is on the pine he's really only covering 12. McKenzie/Barrett/Perofeta is covering 10 and fullback. I'd argue Proctor is actually more useful on the bench than Havili because he can cover centre (something Havili cannot do), and if a winger goes off injured then Rieko will shift out and Proctor can play at 13.
If you have two injuries then Havili becomes more useful, but that's such a rare occurrence that it's not really worth factoring in at the expense of using a better player.
It's really only ALB that's ahead of Proctor in the queue for bench cover.
Proctor also played at second five as recently as 2022 and fullback back in 2019 and 2020 (although only ever for Wellington).
Havili's last game at fullback was in 2021 (he only played there once) - so it's not like he's had a lot of experience outside of 12 in recent years either (other than a few games at 10 this year, which didn't go especially well).
So even Havilis greatest strength, his ‘versatility’ is basically a myth.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v France:
I bet Groot is pissed he missed that one meeting
What about Procter. Attended every meeting and still can’t get on the bench for this game.
Pretty hard to play off the bench from NZ.
At this rate, he will be lost to Nz rugby and it will be all down to Razor snubbing him in this tour
Obviously they rate Rieko and ALB more than Procter at this time.
If he wants to leave because he can’t get over them then that tells a lot,hopefully he is not going to give up that easily.
He has been in NZ for the last two games so that has taken him out of the picture for now.This post is deleted! -
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v France:
I bet Groot is pissed he missed that one meeting
What about Procter. Attended every meeting and still can’t get on the bench for this game.
Pretty hard to play off the bench from NZ.
At this rate, he will be lost to Nz rugby and it will be all down to Razor snubbing him in this tour
Struggling to follow. Is the suggestion that it's Razor's fault Proctor's OH got up the duff?
Juicy.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v France:
I bet Groot is pissed he missed that one meeting
What about Procter. Attended every meeting and still can’t get on the bench for this game.
Pretty hard to play off the bench from NZ.
At this rate, he will be lost to Nz rugby and it will be all down to Razor snubbing him in this tour
Struggling to follow. Is the suggestion that it's Razor's fault Proctor's OH got up the duff?
Juicy.
I was adding to the ‘play proctor’ joke
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Reckon in theory the ABs will always have Barrett/McKenzie/Perofeta/Love etc. to cover 10/15, so the other bench back will be a midfielder.
If he can sort his SR form out (which he showed signs of towards the end of the year) then I reckon longer term Tupaea could be a really strong impact sub
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Kia Ora the silver fern whanau from stade de France. Kiwis are few and far between. We are behind the sticks and surrounded by French and next to the little French brass band that the French love.. The boys looked relax during the warmup. Enjoy the match!
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Excited for this game, interesting points / concerns for me is which BB turns up ( please not the kick good ball away fella) and which French team shows up....
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The new era starts in 10 minutes...
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Looking forward to this one.
NZ should have one tactic - run straight at Ramos, he's a shitehouse defender. -
One of the very best anthems going round.
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Stadium lighting looks great. French know how to put on a show.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France:
No booing or silly songs during the Haka.
It's to do with Remembrance Day and the Gallagher Shield I think.
