Italy v All Blacks
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Exactly, no subtlety , no deception from any of them. ALB, Reiko or Jordan look like they could not set up anyone outside them all day long. No offloads , and just bad options all the time. Telea not much better and Barrett reminds me why two previous coaches also had him at fullback instead of 10. I put a lot of it on Razor. In what world will Barrett take us to the next World Cup? I know that Proctor and Jordie not available but in what world would that be inferior to Reiko and anyone?
@DMX said in Italy v All Blacks:
Exactly, no subtlety , no deception from any of them.
Speaking of subtlety:
ALB, RIEKO or Jordan look like they could not set up anyone outside them all day long. No offloads , and just bad options all the time. Telea not much better and Barrett reminds me why two previous coaches also had him at fullback instead of 10. I put a lot of it on Razor. In what world will Barrett take us to the next World Cup? I know that Proctor and Jordie not available but in what world would that be inferior to RIEKO and anyone?
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@SBW1 said in Italy v All Blacks:
Sorry if that is you or a mate of yours - but if I had the option of blocking a youtube channel from ever appearing in my awareness ever again - that channel would be on the list.
Misleading title.
Zero real analysis. Unnecessary constant close-up of face. 90% wrong. Just... yeah, nah. -
@SBW1 said in Italy v All Blacks:
Sorry if that is you or a mate of yours - but if I had the option of blocking a youtube channel from ever appearing in my awareness ever again - that channel would be on the list.
Misleading title.
Zero real analysis. Unnecessary constant close-up of face. 90% wrong. Just... yeah, nah.@Kruse said in Italy v All Blacks:
Misleading title.
Zero real analysis.
Unnecessary constant close-up of face
90% wrong
Just... yeah, nah.If ever the Fern went to podcasting, vlogging, this could be the intro.
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@Kruse said in Italy v All Blacks:
Misleading title.
Zero real analysis.
Unnecessary constant close-up of face
90% wrong
Just... yeah, nah.If ever the Fern went to podcasting, vlogging, this could be the intro.
@nostrildamus said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Kruse said in Italy v All Blacks:
Misleading title.
Zero real analysis.
Unnecessary constant close-up of face
90% wrong
Just... yeah, nah.If ever the Fern went to podcasting, vlogging, this could be the intro.
Yeah - as I was writing that, I was thinking of the Fern motto, and ... "I could just copy/paste that - and... I guess that means the vid actually fits in quite well - it's the Gen-Z self-aggrandizing vlog love-my-own-face version of TSF"
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So that was a fitting end to our season. Ugh.
The Canes Golden Boy looked a bit average this match, probably below average in the first 20 before his try. The hated Canes 9 had a better game. Everyone has that bump game eventually though.
BB's kick passes go to no one too much of time now. The new players coming in don't seem to be aware that he'll do them constantly.
That stupid new law interpretation showed how stupid it is this weekend. We get penalised for a guy not moving out of the way and then get penalised for a guy trying to move out of the way (which I said would happen).
Why are we hitting Rieko on a short ball? Jeff Wilson was correct, it's a low % play especially when we should be using him in space.
Did anyone actually have a good game?
TJP and Cane - enjoy your NH $ and retirement. Despite the fan brickbats both have been good ABs.
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@BorderJB said in Italy v All Blacks:
Couple points from the game:
- Pretty much sums up our season under Razor.
- That stadium is great, we need more like that in NZ!! Puts the crowd on top of the players.
It's a football stadium isn't it? The production at Stade de France and Turin was top notch IMHO
@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
@BorderJB said in Italy v All Blacks:
Couple points from the game:
- Pretty much sums up our season under Razor.
- That stadium is great, we need more like that in NZ!! Puts the crowd on top of the players.
It's a football stadium isn't it? The production at Stade de France and Turin was top notch IMHO
As a ground connoisseur Stade de France and the Millennium Stadium are the best I've been to.
Strand Park Petone in a southerly the worst. -
@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
@BorderJB said in Italy v All Blacks:
Couple points from the game:
- Pretty much sums up our season under Razor.
- That stadium is great, we need more like that in NZ!! Puts the crowd on top of the players.
It's a football stadium isn't it? The production at Stade de France and Turin was top notch IMHO
As a ground connoisseur Stade de France and the Millennium Stadium are the best I've been to.
Strand Park Petone in a southerly the worst.@BerniesCorner said in Italy v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
@BorderJB said in Italy v All Blacks:
Couple points from the game:
- Pretty much sums up our season under Razor.
- That stadium is great, we need more like that in NZ!! Puts the crowd on top of the players.
It's a football stadium isn't it? The production at Stade de France and Turin was top notch IMHO
As a ground connoisseur Stade de France and the Millennium Stadium are the best I've been to.
Strand Park Petone in a southerly the worst.Strand is behind HVHS? And have you never played at the Polo?
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We are going to do alright in 2025 because our forwards have come on well.
Our backs don't cut the mustard. Was obvious watching in the Stade de France and this game also.
In my view DMac is the first five end of. We need fast wingers and it's time for more Hurricane infusion in the backline. Higgins, Love, Proctor. There's no point waiting at the beginning of next season. Try them out. -
Thought Cane put in a great shift in tonight.
Thanks for everything Sam, you’ve been a fucken warrior
Likewise TJ, different role of course, but no less courageous and enthusiastic about your tasks…
Go well lads
On the game - well it wasn’t easy watching…
We were very inaccurate and average, as were the Italians in attack thank Christ!
Where the Italians were good though was on D, I thought they did a great job of wrapping the ball in every tackle , they slowed us up at every change.
I also didn’t hear about this apparent new rule where you don’t have to release the tackled player anymore before you try to jackal.
Good times
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Well. A little more calm this morning. But. So many work ons. And it does feel like we've regressed since the WC. TBF the forwards went pretty well this tour. But. The backs. And the attack plan / game management for the most part was non-existent. I could not see for the life of me what they were trying to achieve last night. When they were just hammering away at the Italian line but constantly over running or shelling the last pass, it looked pretty clueless and rudderless out there. No-one seemed willing to step up and take responsibility to seize the game by the scruff. Headless chickens. Leadership group? Where the fuck were they? A leader would be a good start. Think this will spell the end of some careers for sure.
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What happened to Levi Aumua, by the way, was he a one trick pony or just not well used at the Crusaders?
@nostrildamus said in Italy v All Blacks:
What happened to Levi Aumua, by the way, was he a one trick pony or just not well used at the Crusaders?
He looked 10kg overweight at the Crusaders.
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That should mark the sunset on a few of the players.
Thanks for the service lads, time to pass the baton.
Scott Barrett, and the midfield should be nervous. Havilli shouldn't be in the squad at all. And the wings need pace. And the restarts are terrible. Etc etc etc
@Halfback said in Italy v All Blacks:
That should mark the sunset on a few of the players.
Thanks for the service lads, time to pass the baton.
Scott Barrett, and the midfield should be nervous. Havilli shouldn't be in the squad at all. And the wings need pace. And the restarts are terrible. Etc etc etc
The restarts become more of a lottery now that it's nye impossible to lift from the front as you'll get done for interference. Some of these calls are beyond ridiculous as you pretty much have nowhere to go other than head to the sideline then retreat.
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@Nepia watched the first half, and Rieko always gets the ball and the tackler. The same can be said for most of our backline passing. We are obsessed with tight pop passing to cut through the line. It's rarely pretty or effective. One guy who consistently seems to run nice lines and gets space is Will Jordan
@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Nepia watched the first half, and Rieko always gets the ball and the tackler. The same can be said for most of our backline passing. We are obsessed with tight pop passing to cut through the line. It's rarely pretty or effective. One guy who consistently seems to run nice lines and gets space is Will Jordan
100%. I think Goldie mentioned this which is why he keeps dropping the ball. In the second half the move started working leaving a giant whole between 13 and 14 only for us to f@ck it in the @rse with the link play.
Our backs really seem to play narrow to start with, very compressed making it hard to get to the flanks.
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The ruck defense was one of the most frustrating parts of the game. We were constantly watching them wrestle and disrupt our ball as we had only committed one cleaner & one man at best to lock down the ruck, making it terribly difficult for Roigard to clear the ball. This was the same issue that we had against Ireland which i believe made it appear that Ratima had a bad game - when in reality he was having to tidy up loose/disrupted ball at the back of the ruck.
Why cant we seem to adjust to this in game? -
The ruck defense was one of the most frustrating parts of the game. We were constantly watching them wrestle and disrupt our ball as we had only committed one cleaner & one man at best to lock down the ruck, making it terribly difficult for Roigard to clear the ball. This was the same issue that we had against Ireland which i believe made it appear that Ratima had a bad game - when in reality he was having to tidy up loose/disrupted ball at the back of the ruck.
Why cant we seem to adjust to this in game?@DurryMexted leadership?
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@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Nepia watched the first half, and Rieko always gets the ball and the tackler. The same can be said for most of our backline passing. We are obsessed with tight pop passing to cut through the line. It's rarely pretty or effective. One guy who consistently seems to run nice lines and gets space is Will Jordan
100%. I think Goldie mentioned this which is why he keeps dropping the ball. In the second half the move started working leaving a giant whole between 13 and 14 only for us to f@ck it in the @rse with the link play.
Our backs really seem to play narrow to start with, very compressed making it hard to get to the flanks.
@LatsToTheMax said in Italy v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Nepia watched the first half, and Rieko always gets the ball and the tackler. The same can be said for most of our backline passing. We are obsessed with tight pop passing to cut through the line. It's rarely pretty or effective. One guy who consistently seems to run nice lines and gets space is Will Jordan
100%. I think Goldie mentioned this which is why he keeps dropping the ball. In the second half the move started working leaving a giant whole between 13 and 14 only for us to f@ck it in the @rse with the link play.
Our backs really seem to play narrow to start with, very compressed making it hard to get to the flanks.
And way too flat
