Italy v All Blacks
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@nostrildamus said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Um are we talking about Lam's game at 12? He can run pass and tackle. One thing I haven't seen enough of to judge is his kicking.
Kicking a big issue I think… the other thing which we won’t know until tried also, is his running lines. Havili and ALB both struggle to carry straight up the guts at the top top level.
Lam in theory should be able to do it, but it does not always play out like that
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
Kicking a big issue I think… the other thing which we won’t know until tried also, is his running lines. Havili and ALB both struggle to carry straight up the guts at the top top level.
Lam in theory should be able to do it, but it does not always play out like that
Running lines? In theory? He can do it at Super level. Time to see at international level!
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Happy to see Cane and TJ sit in the stands. No reason to waste even more minutes on these guys than they already have. They can present jersies and give a rousing speech in the sheds.
@Frye I actually think Cane leaving the arena after defeating Ireland (with an injury) is a perfect ending and somewhat poetic way to finish, given his history.
Don’t see any harm in letting TJP lead the Haka one more time and sitting Cortez. Roigard can play 79 mins.
100% have to play the best team available though.
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@Frye I actually think Cane leaving the arena after defeating Ireland (with an injury) is a perfect ending and somewhat poetic way to finish, given his history.
Don’t see any harm in letting TJP lead the Haka one more time and sitting Cortez. Roigard can play 79 mins.
100% have to play the best team available though.
@game_film said in New Zealand v Italy:
100% have to play the best team available though.
Why? Italy are hopeless. Ring the changes.
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@game_film said in New Zealand v Italy:
100% have to play the best team available though.
Why? Italy are hopeless. Ring the changes.
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Shit at this rate I'm pleased we're not playing Georgia. (watching Italy vs Georgia atm, and Georgia are smashing them all over the park)
@Jailbreak7 said in New Zealand v Italy:
Shit at this rate I'm pleased we're not playing Georgia. (watching Italy vs Georgia atm, and Georgia are smashing them all over the park)
Italy finally beat Georgia.
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Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
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Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
@ARHS said in New Zealand v Italy:
Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
Not soul destroying if you don't deserve to be there.
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Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
@ARHS said in New Zealand v Italy:
Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
This is the All Blacks. It's not a primary school sports day. It should be an utter privilege to be there. And there really shouldn't be consolation prizes for just turning up.
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@ARHS said in New Zealand v Italy:
Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
This is the All Blacks. It's not a primary school sports day. It should be an utter privilege to be there. And there really shouldn't be consolation prizes for just turning up.
@sparky said in New Zealand v Italy:
@ARHS said in New Zealand v Italy:
Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
This is the All Blacks. It's not a primary school sports day. It should be an utter privilege to be there. And there really shouldn't be consolation prizes for just turning up.
This kind of cliche is not the way to coach in the modern era. If we need to pick our best XV to beat Italy then we have a problem. Players like de groot and love, perofeta should get a shot. Italy struggled to get by Georgia who lost to the NZ XV.
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@foobaNZ said in New Zealand v Italy:
What's the point in TJ getting a shot? He's gone after this year.
Wonder if he'll see his calling and become a rugby ref.
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@sparky said in New Zealand v Italy:
@ARHS said in New Zealand v Italy:
Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
This is the All Blacks. It's not a primary school sports day. It should be an utter privilege to be there. And there really shouldn't be consolation prizes for just turning up.
This kind of cliche is not the way to coach in the modern era. If we need to pick our best XV to beat Italy then we have a problem. Players like de groot and love, perofeta should get a shot. Italy struggled to get by Georgia who lost to the NZ XV.
The All Blacks is a hard environment. It's been like that since 1903. And more often than not, it's served the team extremely well.
We're not good enough to put out a side full of second, third and fourth string players and not have a dip in performance.
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@Frye I actually think Cane leaving the arena after defeating Ireland (with an injury) is a perfect ending and somewhat poetic way to finish, given his history.
Don’t see any harm in letting TJP lead the Haka one more time and sitting Cortez. Roigard can play 79 mins.
100% have to play the best team available though.
@game_film said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Frye I actually think Cane leaving the arena after defeating Ireland (with an injury) is a perfect ending and somewhat poetic way to finish, given his history.
Don’t see any harm in letting TJP lead the Haka one more time and sitting Cortez. Roigard can play 79 mins.
100% have to play the best team available though.
There absolutely is harm in selecting TJP over Ratima.
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@game_film said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Frye I actually think Cane leaving the arena after defeating Ireland (with an injury) is a perfect ending and somewhat poetic way to finish, given his history.
Don’t see any harm in letting TJP lead the Haka one more time and sitting Cortez. Roigard can play 79 mins.
100% have to play the best team available though.
There absolutely is harm in selecting TJP over Ratima.
@reprobate Just a joke, with the Roigard 79mins follow up.
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@Bones said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby why Lio-Willie and why drop Sititi?
Hardly dropping Sititi is it. There is a young man who has played (every minute?) the first four tests, so I think letting him watch a game wouldn’t hurt.
I also think debuting guys who have been on tour and are therefore in the thinking is a good idea, to keep them hungry
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Not what I'd do. Why not give Sititi 40 minutes and throw every lineout to him?
Likewise Ratima - you get nothing out of playing TJ. With Ratima you can work on his kicking from the base.
Roigard-McKenzie is the combination we need, and they haven't played that much together.
There's always plenty to work on, I hate coaches wasting games with wholesale changes and caps for sentimentality or participation awards.
