Black Caps vs England Series
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@DMack said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I don’t follow NZ cricket enough to know where any of them actually come from
You’re right though.
It’s cricket, not rugby. Who gives a fuck where they come from for the BC’s.Who gives a flying fuck where they come from for Rugby then.
@Chris said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@DMack said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I don’t follow NZ cricket enough to know where any of them actually come from
You’re right though.
It’s cricket, not rugby. Who gives a fuck where they come from for the BC’s.Who gives a flying fuck where they come from for Rugby then.
Razor
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@Chris said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@DMack said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I don’t follow NZ cricket enough to know where any of them actually come from
You’re right though.
It’s cricket, not rugby. Who gives a fuck where they come from for the BC’s.Who gives a flying fuck where they come from for Rugby then.
Razor
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Chris said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@DMack said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I don’t follow NZ cricket enough to know where any of them actually come from
You’re right though.
It’s cricket, not rugby. Who gives a fuck where they come from for the BC’s.Who gives a flying fuck where they come from for Rugby then.
Razor
Too many Chiefs….
Well played England. Taught us a few lessons. Nice little comeback for a couple of Black caps, but still a few question marks about what our best batting lineup is and how we use our bowlers in the difficult periods.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Chris said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@DMack said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I don’t follow NZ cricket enough to know where any of them actually come from
You’re right though.
It’s cricket, not rugby. Who gives a fuck where they come from for the BC’s.Who gives a flying fuck where they come from for Rugby then.
Razor
Too many Chiefs….
Well played England. Taught us a few lessons. Nice little comeback for a couple of Black caps, but still a few question marks about what our best batting lineup is and how we use our bowlers in the difficult periods.
@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps vs England Series:
how we use our bowlers in the difficult periods.
Drop Southee, play Santner, WOR, Henry and one of Kyle (if fit), Smith or Sears.
Simple?
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@nzzp I’m less concerned about the personnel more about the strategy to break up a partnership or contain
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@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps vs England Series:
how we use our bowlers in the difficult periods.
Drop Southee, play Santner, WOR, Henry and one of Kyle (if fit), Smith or Sears.
Simple?
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps vs England Series:
how we use our bowlers in the difficult periods.
Drop Southee, play Santner, WOR, Henry and one of Kyle (if fit), Smith or Sears.
Simple?
If you look back on the series you probably have to argue that Santner outperformed Phillips. So maybe Phillips should be under threat, although I think Santner has already been tried at 7 and wasn't so successful.
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I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
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I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
As a massive fan of all facets of Philips play I have to admit they’re all falling away at the same time.
I hope he can come right. He did fuck all vs England, one 50 and a fantastic catch with no wickets isn’t a series to write home about
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
As a massive fan of all facets of Philips play I have to admit they’re all falling away at the same time.
I hope he can come right. He did fuck all vs England, one 50 and a fantastic catch with no wickets isn’t a series to write home about
@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
As a massive fan of all facets of Philips play I have to admit they’re all falling away at the same time.
I hope he can come right. He did fuck all vs England, one 50 and a fantastic catch with no wickets isn’t a series to write home about
On paper he could be quite useful. It seems he hasn't worked himself out yet, or not been given the best chance to succeed. Batting at 7 and being used as a part time bowler must be confusing. Maybe they should pick him in one discipline, tell him it's his main role and see what happens? Personally, I'd give him more responsibility with the bat if he was to be picked again.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
As a massive fan of all facets of Philips play I have to admit they’re all falling away at the same time.
I hope he can come right. He did fuck all vs England, one 50 and a fantastic catch with no wickets isn’t a series to write home about
On paper he could be quite useful. It seems he hasn't worked himself out yet, or not been given the best chance to succeed. Batting at 7 and being used as a part time bowler must be confusing. Maybe they should pick him in one discipline, tell him it's his main role and see what happens? Personally, I'd give him more responsibility with the bat if he was to be picked again.
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
As a massive fan of all facets of Philips play I have to admit they’re all falling away at the same time.
I hope he can come right. He did fuck all vs England, one 50 and a fantastic catch with no wickets isn’t a series to write home about
On paper he could be quite useful. It seems he hasn't worked himself out yet, or not been given the best chance to succeed. Batting at 7 and being used as a part time bowler must be confusing. Maybe they should pick him in one discipline, tell him it's his main role and see what happens? Personally, I'd give him more responsibility with the bat if he was to be picked again.
Yeah Blundell hundred hasn’t done Phillips chances of batting six much good
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@Dodge said in Black Caps vs England Series:
well played NZ, a good series of some mixed quality cricket, some sharp bowling, some big innings by some genuinely excellent, generational, players along with some terrible fielding, some shocking shots and some questionable commitment from England. England as inspiring and frustrating as ever, New Zealand with some very good players and some gaps to fill, so too England really.
Pleased to see Southee go out with a win, always liked watching him play and seems like a good fella off the field. Lovely to see him hit a few sixes too.
Watching England play Test Cricket in New Zealand is always a treat, beautiful grounds, full banks, great atmosphere, green grass, blue skies and a bit of movement off the pitch. If only you could work out how to play it at a time where it doesn't entirely destroy my sleep patterns.
Can you just stop it ?
Rival sports fans aren’t supposed to be so nice
@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Dodge said in Black Caps vs England Series:
well played NZ, a good series of some mixed quality cricket, some sharp bowling, some big innings by some genuinely excellent, generational, players along with some terrible fielding, some shocking shots and some questionable commitment from England. England as inspiring and frustrating as ever, New Zealand with some very good players and some gaps to fill, so too England really.
Pleased to see Southee go out with a win, always liked watching him play and seems like a good fella off the field. Lovely to see him hit a few sixes too.
Watching England play Test Cricket in New Zealand is always a treat, beautiful grounds, full banks, great atmosphere, green grass, blue skies and a bit of movement off the pitch. If only you could work out how to play it at a time where it doesn't entirely destroy my sleep patterns.
Can you just stop it ?
Rival sports fans aren’t supposed to be so nice
east to be a magnanimous prick when you've just won a series, I'm a fluffybunny when we lose
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I have to admit, I hate bazball.
If losses don't matter, or draws don't matter, then do wins matter?
But mostly, I hate seeing my bowlers getting carted around for 90 overs ....
Also, as a fan of bowling and the real reason I watch cricket at all , I find dismissals caught in the ring or outfield as sexy as susan boyle dressed as a page boy.
But, secretly, I suspect it actually kind of works. Certainly it is more effective than the terrible top 3 England had in the 3 or 4 years before bazball. E.g. bazball-Crawley is 50% better than non-bazball-Crawley. And I suspect NZ would have found similar for Martin Guptill.
However. On Indian dustbowls I think bazball is great fun, and I think it is a good approach. Despit NZ winning 3 nil with orthodox and classy Will Young approach. So, ... fuck knows ???
@Rapido said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I have to admit, I hate bazball.
If losses don't matter, or draws don't matter, then do wins matter?
But mostly, I hate seeing my bowlers getting carted around for 90 overs ....
Also, as a fan of bowling and the real reason I watch cricket at all , I find dismissals caught in the ring or outfield as sexy as susan boyle dressed as a page boy.
But, secretly, I suspect it actually kind of works. Certainly it is more effective than the terrible top 3 England had in the 3 or 4 years before bazball. E.g. bazball-Crawley is 50% better than non-bazball-Crawley. And I suspect NZ would have found similar for Martin Guptill.
However. On Indian dustbowls I think bazball is great fun, and I think it is a good approach. Despit NZ winning 3 nil with orthodox and classy Will Young approach. So, ... fuck knows ???
There are two things I hate about Bazball..
- The fucking name. Just forget it.
- Some of the quotes coming out of the England camp. It just gives the wrong impression. Don't care about losses? Fuck off. Of course you do but I don't think that is what you actually meant to say. How about saying "We're not afraid to risk losing in order to try and force a win".
In reality this brand of Test Cricket is not new. The Aussies have been playing hard, attacking cricket for decades - and the WI before them. Maybe England have dialled it up a bit more and of course there are some more adventurous shots around now that wouldn't have been considered in years gone by. The big difference though is that it is England playing this way when the mantra was "we're not afraid to draw if it means we might not actually lose". For this much credit must go to Rob Key who has given coach, skipper and therefore the team the licence to play this way and the structures and consistency to assist and reward a positive attitude.
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I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
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@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
This is an astonishingly well thought out post. Too much sense for it to be written by a Ferner !
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
This is an astonishingly well thought out post. Too much sense for it to be written by a Ferner !
@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
This is an astonishingly well thought out post. Too much sense for it to be written by a Ferner !
Totally agree
@No-Quarter are you @Mauss ?
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@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
@No-Quarter when Blundell went through his best scoring patch from early 2022 to mid 2023 he was batting at 6. So I think they are hoping that will return.
Other than 3,4 and 5, I think we have question marks across our batting lineup.
