Coaches - rugby variety, not transport

[MiketheSnow]

Anyone have the data on the winningest coaches at international level?

Are they former backs or forwards?

The England v Scotland thread and the comments about Borthwick got me thinking

[Daffy Jaffy]

@MiketheSnow At risk of showing my age - Fred Allen, a forward was unbeaten as coach.

[Nepia]

That title is rather redundant in a NZ context, we mostly just say bus.

Also, Allen was a back. Backs seem to make good coaches - Henry was a halfback I think and Hansen was a back (hard to believe I know when looking at him), but of other successful NZ coaches Lochore was a forward.

[Bones]

@Nepia said in Coaches - rugby variety, not transport:

That title is rather redundant in a NZ context, we mostly just say bus.

Also, Allen was a back. Backs seem to make good coaches - Henry was a halfback I think and Hansen was a back (hard to believe I know when looking at him), but of other successful NZ coaches Lochore was a forward.

Rennie, Smith.

[Machpants]

Of the very successful recent modern era bunch of kiwi coaches (therefore works most successful), they were mostly backs. But not many international level, only Wayne Smith with caps I think

[booboo]

Grizz forward AB
Hart Back Provincial
Deans back AB
Mitch forward AB
Foz back Provincial
Smith back AB
Schmidt back Provinicial
Gats forward AB
E Jones 99.999% back forward State
Woodward back Eng

[Nepia]

@booboo said in Coaches - rugby variety, not transport:

Grizz forward
Hart Back
Deans back
Mitch forward
Foz back
Smith back
Schmidt back
Gats forward
E Jones 99.999% back
Woodward back

I don't know his playing career, was he a very loose hooker?

[booboo]

@Nepia said in Coaches - rugby variety, not transport:

@booboo said in Coaches - rugby variety, not transport:

Grizz forward
Hart Back
Deans back
Mitch forward
Foz back
Smith back
Schmidt back
Gats forward
E Jones 99.999% back
Woodward back

I don't know his playing career, was he a very loose hooker?

Ok. Thought he was a 9 ...updated

[Nepia]

Rassie - forward
Christie - forward (according to wiki)
Mallet - forward.

[Nepia]

Mains was a back but was one of the better forward coaches (and obviously not hugely successful as a coach but realistically the first two years of Hart's era should be consider Main's results )

[Daffy Jaffy]

@Nepia said in Coaches - rugby variety, not transport:

Also, Allen was a back

lol, I realized I had Wilson Whineray's picture in my head when I wrote about Allen! Senility setting in.

[canefan]

@Nepia said in Coaches - rugby variety, not transport:

That title is rather redundant in a NZ context, we mostly just say bus.

Also, Allen was a back. Backs seem to make good coaches - Henry was a halfback I think and Hansen was a back (hard to believe I know when looking at him), but of other successful NZ coaches Lochore was a forward.

Grizz was also a forward. Hart was a back. Laurie was a forward?

[Nepia]

@canefan said in Coaches - rugby variety, not transport:

Laurie was a forward?

Nope, he was a fullback.

[sparky]

Of the All Blacks coaches of my lifetime:

Scott Robertson - Flanker/Number 8 - All Blacks
Ian Foster - First Five - The Chiefs
Steve Hansen - Centre - Canterbury
Graham Henry - Half Back - Canterbury
John Mitchell- Flanker/8 - All Blacks
Wayne Smith - First Five -All Blacks
John Hart - Half Back -Auckland
Laurie Mains - Full Back - All Blacks
Grizz Wylie- Flanker - All Blacks
Brian Lochore - Number 8 - All Blacks
Bryce Rope - Flanker - Auckland
Peter Burke - Lock - Taranaki
Eric Watson - 2nd 5 - Otago
Jack Glesson ???

[MiketheSnow]

@Nepia said in Coaches - rugby variety, not transport:

@booboo said in Coaches - rugby variety, not transport:

Grizz forward
Hart Back
Deans back
Mitch forward
Foz back
Smith back
Schmidt back
Gats forward
E Jones 99.999% back
Woodward back

I don't know his playing career, was he a very loose hooker?

I have friends who played for Easts and regularly played against him, and to a man they hate his fucking guts

[Smuts]

Reckon the forward back distinction is too broad. Looking at Sparky’s list it’s mainly loosies, ditto Rassie & Mallet.

Every now and again we loosies allow our natural prey, the large scrotumed ruck rat, to survive to maturity and become solid (though still very annoying) coaches (cf Henry, Galthie and Craven, Doc.)