Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6
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@ARHS said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
Hurricanes v Blues result could eliminate one of them if Aussie teams keep their form. Some uneven programmes, with some a hard early sequence and some doing it hard later.
I think it will definitely eliminate the Blues if they lose, but if the Canes lose, they might still be able to keep in touch if they can beat the Tahs (this week), the Crusaders at home (in three weeks) and then beat either the Force or Brumbies away. What helps the Canes is that they have the Highlanders (at home), Reds (away) and Moana (at home) in their last three games. They'll likely need to win all three of those as well.
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@Canes4life not quite elimintae I don't think but close to it.
Blues run home is
Canes H
MP H
Sith A
Reds A
Force H
Drua A
MP A
Tahs HWin the MPx2, Drua, Force ad Tahs and you're up to 6 wins. Probably need two more to scrape into the top 6 with an 8-8 record. You have to target in order Canes at home, Reds away, Drua away, Sith away. but 2-2 from those and you're there or thereabouts.
So not impossible, but that home loss to the Brumbies was a killer for us.
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@WoodysRFC said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
About a third of the way through the season now and whilst no team is mathematically out of making the top 6 (not a fan of this in an 11 team comp), there are signs that the table is starting to take shape near the top (and possibly down the bottom).
So who you got to make it to the pointy end and a shot at Super rugby glory?
6 picks and by the end of the week we’ll tally up the Fern collective wisdom and see how it stacks up come June.
Why would all teams having a mathematical chance of making the top six be a bad thing?
I don’t have an issue with teams having a chance, what I don’t like is so many teams making the finals. It’s the format that I’m not enamoured by. More than half the teams in a comp shouldn’t make a “finals” game. That’s mediocrity on a pedestal.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@WoodysRFC said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
About a third of the way through the season now and whilst no team is mathematically out of making the top 6 (not a fan of this in an 11 team comp), there are signs that the table is starting to take shape near the top (and possibly down the bottom).
So who you got to make it to the pointy end and a shot at Super rugby glory?
6 picks and by the end of the week we’ll tally up the Fern collective wisdom and see how it stacks up come June.
Why would all teams having a mathematical chance of making the top six be a bad thing?
I don’t have an issue with teams having a chance, what I don’t like is so many teams making the finals. It’s the format that I’m not enamoured by. More than half the teams in a comp shouldn’t make a “finals” game. That’s mediocrity on a pedestal.
I disagree, I think having a top 6 suits this competition. If you had a top 4 and those four teams broke away from the rest of the pack early on in the comp then a lot of fans across all teams would lose interest pretty quickly. By having a top 6 there are multiple teams that are in with a chance which keeps the competition and most games interesting until the playoffs come around.
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@Canes4life said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@WoodysRFC said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
About a third of the way through the season now and whilst no team is mathematically out of making the top 6 (not a fan of this in an 11 team comp), there are signs that the table is starting to take shape near the top (and possibly down the bottom).
So who you got to make it to the pointy end and a shot at Super rugby glory?
6 picks and by the end of the week we’ll tally up the Fern collective wisdom and see how it stacks up come June.
Why would all teams having a mathematical chance of making the top six be a bad thing?
I don’t have an issue with teams having a chance, what I don’t like is so many teams making the finals. It’s the format that I’m not enamoured by. More than half the teams in a comp shouldn’t make a “finals” game. That’s mediocrity on a pedestal.
I disagree, I think having a top 6 suits this competition. If you had a top 4 and those four teams broke away from the rest of the pack early on in the comp then a lot of fans across all teams would lose interest pretty quickly. By having a top 6 there are multiple teams that are in with a chance which keeps the competition and most games interesting until the playoffs come around.
There has to be an upper limit though. Otherwise if more = better why not 11?
Why 6 and not 7 or 8?
Personally I think when more than half the teams make the playoffs it gets a bit silly. It doesn't feel like enough reward/punishment for efforts during the regular season. So 5 would be my maximum for an 11 team competition
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@Duluth said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@Canes4life said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@WoodysRFC said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
About a third of the way through the season now and whilst no team is mathematically out of making the top 6 (not a fan of this in an 11 team comp), there are signs that the table is starting to take shape near the top (and possibly down the bottom).
So who you got to make it to the pointy end and a shot at Super rugby glory?
6 picks and by the end of the week we’ll tally up the Fern collective wisdom and see how it stacks up come June.
Why would all teams having a mathematical chance of making the top six be a bad thing?
I don’t have an issue with teams having a chance, what I don’t like is so many teams making the finals. It’s the format that I’m not enamoured by. More than half the teams in a comp shouldn’t make a “finals” game. That’s mediocrity on a pedestal.
I disagree, I think having a top 6 suits this competition. If you had a top 4 and those four teams broke away from the rest of the pack early on in the comp then a lot of fans across all teams would lose interest pretty quickly. By having a top 6 there are multiple teams that are in with a chance which keeps the competition and most games interesting until the playoffs come around.
There has to be an upper limit though. Otherwise if more = better why not 11?
Why 6 and not 7 or 8?
Personally I think when more than half the teams make the playoffs it gets a bit silly. It doesn't feel like enough reward/punishment for efforts during the regular season. So 5 would be my maximum for an 11 team competition
Yeah I can see 5 working. Top team has a week off in the first round of the playoffs. 2-5 play the quarters. Top qualifiers play the semis and then the winner of each of those games plays in the final.
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@Canes4life said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@WoodysRFC said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
About a third of the way through the season now and whilst no team is mathematically out of making the top 6 (not a fan of this in an 11 team comp), there are signs that the table is starting to take shape near the top (and possibly down the bottom).
So who you got to make it to the pointy end and a shot at Super rugby glory?
6 picks and by the end of the week we’ll tally up the Fern collective wisdom and see how it stacks up come June.
Why would all teams having a mathematical chance of making the top six be a bad thing?
I don’t have an issue with teams having a chance, what I don’t like is so many teams making the finals. It’s the format that I’m not enamoured by. More than half the teams in a comp shouldn’t make a “finals” game. That’s mediocrity on a pedestal.
I disagree, I think having a top 6 suits this competition. If you had a top 4 and those four teams broke away from the rest of the pack early on in the comp then a lot of fans across all teams would lose interest pretty quickly. By having a top 6 there are multiple teams that are in with a chance which keeps the competition and most games interesting until the playoffs come around.
I think what keeps fans interested is if their team is performing well and if that turns into wins. More games, not necessarily, especially if the integrity of the competition is called into question when teams potentially with losing records make a ‘final’.
This is more a case of economics rather than really about fans. More games means revenue opportunities etc
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@Canes4life said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
Yeah I can see 5 working. Top team has a week off in the first round of the playoffs. 2-5 play the quarters. Top qualifiers play the semis and then the winner of each of those games plays in the final
Not sure how that would work, you'd end up with the #1 seed plus 2 winners of the quarters.
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@nonpartizan said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@WestieFella said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@Canes4life said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
Yeah I can see 5 working. Top team has a week off in the first round of the playoffs. 2-5 play the quarters. Top qualifiers play the semis and then the winner of each of those games plays in the final
Not sure how that would work, you'd end up with the #1 seed plus 2 winners of the quarters.
You could do this, I think.....
1st, 2nd and 3rd have a rest.... 4 plays 5 for right to play in the semis.
1 v 4/5
2 v 3In a 5 team system you still need an incentive of finishing as high as possible and rewarding the team that finishes on top of the table with a week off and a double chance. Teams ranked 2nd and 3rd don’t get a week off but do get a double chance.
The AFL (and former VFL) many years ago had a top 5 finals series over a 4 week period.
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@nonpartizan said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@nonpartizan said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@WestieFella said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@Canes4life said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
Yeah I can see 5 working. Top team has a week off in the first round of the playoffs. 2-5 play the quarters. Top qualifiers play the semis and then the winner of each of those games plays in the final
Not sure how that would work, you'd end up with the #1 seed plus 2 winners of the quarters.
You could do this, I think.....
1st, 2nd and 3rd have a rest.... 4 plays 5 for right to play in the semis.
1 v 4/5
2 v 3In a 5 team system you still need an incentive of finishing as high as possible and rewarding the team that finishes on top of the table with a week off and a double chance. Teams ranked 2nd and 3rd don’t get a week off but do get a double chance.
The AFL (and former VFL) many years ago had a top 5 finals series over a 4 week period.
That seems like a good system.
it takes 4 weeks for a 5 team playoff! with only 1 game on two weekends, and the round robin winner potentially playing bye-play-bye-play.
I really don't love it; can't see it generating the amount of TV to fund it.
The root cause is there are only 11 teams. That should be 12 or more, then a 6 team playoff makes sense.
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@Canes4life said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
The big thing for the Highlanders is they have the Crusaders and Chiefs twice and the Hurricanes away. They'll need to win at least two of those games to have a chance IMO.
Exactly, but I think they will do enough to put themselves in that position. Should be aiming to win 2/3 against the Brumbies, Force & Drua, which would leave them with four wins and four losses. Beat Moana at home and you're in the ballpark. If we aren't good enough to win 2/6 games against the Crusaders, Chiefs & Canes across the season, then making the playoffs is futile, when considering we will have lost to the Tahs & Reds (likely both in the playoffs).
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@nzzp said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@Canes4life not quite elimintae I don't think but close to it.
Blues run home is
Canes H
MP H
Sith A
Reds A
Force H
Drua A
MP A
Tahs HWin the MPx2, Drua, Force ad Tahs and you're up to 6 wins. Probably need two more to scrape into the top 6 with an 8-8 record. You have to target in order Canes at home, Reds away, Drua away, Sith away. but 2-2 from those and you're there or thereabouts.
So not impossible, but that home loss to the Brumbies was a killer for us.
The question you have to ask, is whether a team with 1 win in however many games then goes and wins that many in a row. It is like the Crusaders last year... just doesn't happen.
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@frugby said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@nzzp said in Poll: Super Rugby 2025 Top 6:
@Canes4life not quite elimintae I don't think but close to it.
Blues run home is
Canes H
MP H
Sith A
Reds A
Force H
Drua A
MP A
Tahs HWin the MPx2, Drua, Force ad Tahs and you're up to 6 wins. Probably need two more to scrape into the top 6 with an 8-8 record. You have to target in order Canes at home, Reds away, Drua away, Sith away. but 2-2 from those and you're there or thereabouts.
So not impossible, but that home loss to the Brumbies was a killer for us.
The question you have to ask, is whether a team with 1 win in however many games then goes and wins that many in a row. It is like the Crusaders last year... just doesn't happen.
We've played the hardest teams first, and been competitive (last embarassment at EP aside). Compared to a fired up Highlanders, Saders, Chiefsx2 the run home looks way more feasible.
I guess that's why we watch sport though - let's see how it goes! I suspect Blues finish on 5-6 wins (or maybe more)
