NZ Rugby Collective agreement
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@mariner4life said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
What else can they do?
not run a deficit. That is not sustainable - you either change, or you have change forced on you.
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@nzzp said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
@mariner4life said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
What else can they do?
not run a deficit. That is not sustainable - you either change, or you have change forced on you.
you should be a politician in opposition.
What do they cut? Player salaries? The NPC? Womens rugby?
They could add another sponsor to the AB jersey, but that thread could write itself.
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@mariner4life said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
Womens rugby
How much does this add/detract to NZR's finances?
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
@mariner4life said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
Womens rugby
How much does this add/detract to NZR's finances?
I would imagine it adds $0 and detracts plenty...does help inflate the player numbers and growth in the game however.
Which quite ironically means that the one area of the game where the players base is growing is in the area that takes money from the game instead of adding to it (in it current form/format).
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@mariner4life said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
@nzzp said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
@mariner4life said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
What else can they do?
not run a deficit. That is not sustainable - you either change, or you have change forced on you.
you should be a politician in opposition.
What do they cut? Player salaries? The NPC? Womens rugby?
They could add another sponsor to the AB jersey, but that thread could write itself.
haha brutal.
Look, they are fucked both ways at the moment. But the solution is not to just keep doing what they are doing. They don't seem to have clarity on the value of player development, what the role of the comps are, how to drive fan engagement ... they seem stuck in the early 2000's.
What you don't do is flick off the revenue to Silverlake, screw the relationshipw ith the players union who aren't convinced, compromise your main comp with taking players out, just live with the fact that your main pro comp finishes in fucking may, having started in February (for a winter code), and then have a plan for growth which is trying to get Aussie Super franchises to split from their parent body.
I could go on. But I think we miss good leadership and nous at Board level.
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@nzzp said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
@Windows97 said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
Has anyone managed to read this bit without crying or facepalming themselves in the office?
No.
Image of NZR board below. This is a governance issue, pure and simple. We are failing on this front, over and over.
It was a great one-off injection of cash into the game and grass roots no doubt...
However unless that cash injection is being utilised to grow additional revenue streams - or make existing streams bigger all it effectivly does is push the year we run out of cash a little more into the future.
And in fact, in the worst case this deal could actually expidite the year we run out of cash faster given it's based off revenue and not profit...
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@mariner4life said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
@nzzp said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
@mariner4life said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
What else can they do?
not run a deficit. That is not sustainable - you either change, or you have change forced on you.
you should be a politician in opposition.
What do they cut? Player salaries? The NPC? Womens rugby?
They could add another sponsor to the AB jersey, but that thread could write itself.
A few of us suggested a similar idea to Silver lake but based around a public offering, for starters.
- align the season by combining NPC and Super rugby
- reduce team numbers accordingly
- add Japan as a partner for Super,
- consolidate relationship with set games in Japan every year for revenue split
- merge the MABs and ABXV to get our 2nd best players out then give them a full schedule with revenue split opportunities (USA, Canada, Japan, UK etc)
- add another sponsor or sponsors to the AB jersey as needed
If viable, add an U23 element to consolidated NPC / Super and add it to the TV deal
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Grok: Top 20 Cost Items for NZ Rugby (2024)
NZ Rugby (New Zealand Rugby Union Incorporated) does not provide a granular list of 20 individual cost items in its 2024 Annual Report. Instead, expenses are categorized at a high level in the consolidated financial statements for the year ended December 31, 2024. The main expense categories total $304,783,000, contributing to the net loss. I've ranked these categories by amount (largest to smallest) as the "top costs," based on the report's breakdown. Note that some are aggregated (e.g., "Competitions" includes multiple sub-items like player payments and event costs), and no further itemization into 20 discrete lines is available.Competitions: $126,529,000 – Covers costs for domestic and international competitions, including Super Rugby Pacific, National Provincial Championship (NPC), and related operational expenses.
Teams in Black: $83,758,000 – Expenses for national teams like the All Blacks, Black Ferns, and Sevens teams, including player payments, coaching, travel, and high-performance programs.
Game Development: $44,435,000 – Investments in community rugby, youth pathways, coaching development, and grassroots initiatives.
Administration: $27,887,000 – General overheads, including staff salaries, office costs, governance, and corporate operations.
Interest Expense: $12,285,000 – Financing costs, primarily related to the Silver Lake investment (classified as a compound hybrid instrument).
Foreign Exchange Losses – Ineffective Hedge: $7,810,000 – Losses from hedging contracts that did not qualify for hedge accounting, impacted by global forex volatility.
Foreign Exchange Losses: $1,650,000 – General currency exchange losses on international revenues (e.g., sponsorships in foreign currencies).
Transaction Costs: $429,000 – One-off costs related to deals like the Silver Lake investment or commercial restructurings.
The report does not break these down further into 20 items, but sub-notes indicate:Within "Teams in Black" and "Competitions," significant portions go to player payments (part of the Player Payment Pool), travel, and match-day operations.
Other implied costs (not quantified separately) include marketing, legal fees, insurance, and technology investments, but they are rolled into the above categories.
If more granular data emerges in future reports (e.g., 2025 interim), it could provide additional details. These figures align with NZ Rugby's reported challenges, such as forex impacts and high-performance investments.nzrugby.co.nzCosts for Women's Rugby (2024)
The 2024 Annual Report specifies $24,800,000 invested in women and girls' rugby, an increase of $2,900,000 from 2023. This covers:Player payments and retainers for the Black Ferns and Super Rugby Aupiki (women's professional competition).
Coaching, management, and match-day expenses, driven by expansions to the Black Ferns campaign model and Aupiki structure.
High-performance programs, including development camps (e.g., Under-20 Women's Rugby Development Camp) and roles like Women's High Performance Pathway Manager.
Additionally:Provincial Unions allocated $1,800,000 of Strategic Alignment Funding specifically for women's initiatives, with $1,500,000 being role-based (e.g., coaching and development staff).
These costs are embedded within broader categories like "Teams in Black" ($83,758,000 total) and "Competitions" ($126,529,000 total), reflecting NZ Rugby's push for gender equity amid preparations for the 2025 Women's Rugby World Cup (which has already sold over 220,000 tickets, indicating potential revenue upside).world.rugby External sources note Black Ferns retainers ranging from $12,500–$20,000 annually, plus $2,000 per week for training camps (about 50 days), but the report aggregates these into the $24.8M figure.sports.yahoo.comnzrugby.co.nzRevenue for NZ Rugby (2024)
Total revenue for 2024 was $285,247,000, a record high despite the loss. Breakdown by major sources:Sponsorship and Licensing: $125,818,000 (44%) – Includes deals like the new Gallagher sponsorship (replacing Ineos in June 2025) and licensing from the All Blacks brand.therugbybreakdown.com
Broadcast Rights: $100,390,000 (35%) – From SANZAAR and domestic deals; negotiations for 2026–2030 are underway to potentially increase this.allblacks.com
Matchday: $32,013,000 (11%) – Ticket sales and event revenue, boosted by strong attendance (e.g., record Women's RWC ticket sales).
Interest Income: $14,371,000 (5%) – From cash reserves and investments.
Other Income: $9,351,000 (3%) – Miscellaneous, including grants and merchandise.
Fair Value Gain on Derivatives: $2,920,000 (1%) – Financial instrument adjustments.
Equity Accounted Surplus: $235,000 (<1%) – From associates/joint ventures.
Managed Funds Fair Value Gains: $149,000 (<1%) – Investment returns.
Revenue grew due to commercial partnerships via NZ Rugby Commercial LP (with Silver Lake's involvement), but was offset by forex losses on hedged sponsorships -
@Windows97 said in NZ Rugby Collective agreement:
It was a great one-off injection of cash into the game and grass roots no doubt...
I could see the theory - that Silverlake leverage their digital/marketing knowledge to grow the AB brand and revenue.
In practice, that did not happen. NZR+ was a shocker and a money pit. That's the sort of shit that happens in a corporate. Foster's pretty scathing of the 'commercial focus' of NZR - but they seem to miss that getting the onfield stuff right leads to off field success as well. Crusaders have the best back office and it supports onfield success. Most other Super bakc offices seem ... poor to mediocre.
