All Blacks v Argentina II
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@LagerLout short memories here. I can remember a couple of stinkers against Argentina in NZ that would trump this one. This Argentina side is a better one than the ones that beat NZ in NZ.
NZ weren’t good enough against what is, on their day, a very good Argentina team.
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I never thought I'd say this, but Finlay Christie was probably out best player out there today.
Hope Ratima, Hotham and Roigard are back soon or with another injury we are in real poo at 9
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I never thought I'd say this, but Finlay Christie was probably out best player out there today.
Hope Ratima, Hotham and Roigard are back soon or with another injury we are in real poo at 9
I give Finlay dogs abuse for fair play to him he got stuck in.
The rest of them can fuck right off.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Yet he was the best lock in the country when the decision was made. He had surpassed Retallick and Whitelock as the first choice lock in the 2023 season. 2024 he is selected as captain.
Sure, question some of the decision making on the field, but let’s not rewrite history about where his play was when the decision was actually made.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Yet he was the best lock in the country when the decision was made. He had surpassed Retallick and Whitelock as the first choice lock in the 2023 season. 2024 he is selected as captain.
Sure, question some of the decision making on the field, but let’s not rewrite history about where his play was when the decision was actually made.
Yeah I thought the same , at the time we thought he was our only quality lock , then vaii put his hand up not long after that
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I never thought I'd say this, but Finlay Christie was probably out best player out there today.
Hope Ratima, Hotham and Roigard are back soon or with another injury we are in real poo at 9
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Hope Ratima, Hotham and Roigard are back soon or with another injury we are in real poo at 9
Ratima can take his time.....
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Sititi and Roigard will make a big difference
Time for DMac to start@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Sititi and Roigard will make a big difference
Time for DMac to startYes and no. Barrett is a better defender. Matera aimed right for DMac off the back of the scrum that Argentina got their try off.
Neither is perfect by any stretch, but the backline is craving some control and direction.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I never thought I'd say this, but Finlay Christie was probably out best player out there today.
Hope Ratima, Hotham and Roigard are back soon or with another injury we are in real poo at 9
I give Finlay dogs abuse for fair play to him he got stuck in.
The rest of them can fuck right off.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I never thought I'd say this, but Finlay Christie was probably out best player out there today.
Hope Ratima, Hotham and Roigard are back soon or with another injury we are in real poo at 9
I give Finlay dogs abuse for fair play to him he got stuck in.
The rest of them can fuck right off.
Parker was credible and they subbed him off early. Stupid
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
We are stuck with Razor til 2027 regardless of results. Time to accept it.
Yip easier to change his staff Ala fossie
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then. -
Captaincy was our fault today.
Too passive -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Yet he was the best lock in the country when the decision was made. He had surpassed Retallick and Whitelock as the first choice lock in the 2023 season. 2024 he is selected as captain.
Sure, question some of the decision making on the field, but let’s not rewrite history about where his play was when the decision was actually made.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Yet he was the best lock in the country when the decision was made. He had surpassed Retallick and Whitelock as the first choice lock in the 2023 season. 2024 he is selected as captain.
Sure, question some of the decision making on the field, but let’s not rewrite history about where his play was when the decision was actually made.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Yet he was the best lock in the country when the decision was made. He had surpassed Retallick and Whitelock as the first choice lock in the 2023 season. 2024 he is selected as captain.
Sure, question some of the decision making on the field, but let’s not rewrite history about where his play was when the decision was actually made.
He was the premier lock, but I never thought the best choice as captain for captaincy reasons.
It's also easy with hindsight of course, but if you're not a world class lineout option as an AB lock, your continued status as first choice is not guaranteed - and you need that if you're going to be captain. -
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
We are stuck with Razor til 2027 regardless of results. Time to accept it.
Yip easier to change his staff Ala fossie
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
We are stuck with Razor til 2027 regardless of results. Time to accept it.
Yip easier to change his staff Ala fossie
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.Schmidt is tied to Aus. That ship has sailed.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
Did you not watch Super Rugby this year. Ardie single handedly turned Moana into a proper team.
Yes, one season of over zealous passion doesn’t equate to international leadership skills
At least give him a go to find out
He’s been in the leadership group for 8-9 years. He frequently finishes the match as captain. He clearly doesn’t make much of a difference. Different voices are needed ASAP. The old heads are not going to do it
Like last week when he finished as captain and we dominated the last 20 minutes?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
Did you not watch Super Rugby this year. Ardie single handedly turned Moana into a proper team.
Yes, one season of over zealous passion doesn’t equate to international leadership skills
At least give him a go to find out
He’s been in the leadership group for 8-9 years. He frequently finishes the match as captain. He clearly doesn’t make much of a difference. Different voices are needed ASAP. The old heads are not going to do it
Like last week when he finished as captain and we dominated the last 20 minutes?
All the countless times he’s been part of a a complete cluster fuck. What I’m saying is that the current leadership group we’ve had since 2019 is shit. We need new voices in it.
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@stodders you must be bloody blind if you think there was a single thing in that performance that was even par. But hey, you kiddos would know.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders you must be bloody blind if you think there was a single thing in that performance that was even par. But hey, you kiddos would know.
I didn’t say it was good. Just not as stinky as other stinkers I’ve seen. Do you remember the abject performance in Nelspruit in 2022? Never seen an AB team munched as much that day.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
Did you not watch Super Rugby this year. Ardie single handedly turned Moana into a proper team.
Yes, one season of over zealous passion doesn’t equate to international leadership skills
At least give him a go to find out
He’s been in the leadership group for 8-9 years. He frequently finishes the match as captain. He clearly doesn’t make much of a difference. Different voices are needed ASAP. The old heads are not going to do it
Like last week when he finished as captain and we dominated the last 20 minutes?
All the countless times he’s been part of a a complete cluster fuck. What I’m saying is that the current leadership group we’ve had since 2019 is shit. We need new voices in it.
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
Did you not watch Super Rugby this year. Ardie single handedly turned Moana into a proper team.
Yes, one season of over zealous passion doesn’t equate to international leadership skills
At least give him a go to find out
He’s been in the leadership group for 8-9 years. He frequently finishes the match as captain. He clearly doesn’t make much of a difference. Different voices are needed ASAP. The old heads are not going to do it
Like last week when he finished as captain and we dominated the last 20 minutes?
All the countless times he’s been part of a a complete cluster fuck. What I’m saying is that the current leadership group we’ve had since 2019 is shit. We need new voices in it.
I hear you. But I'm talking in the short term we'd be better with Ardie than Scott Barrett
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
We are stuck with Razor til 2027 regardless of results. Time to accept it.
Yip easier to change his staff Ala fossie
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Please summarize why.
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Old school?
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
We are stuck with Razor til 2027 regardless of results. Time to accept it.
Yip easier to change his staff Ala fossie
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.Schmidt is tied to Aus. That ship has sailed.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
We are stuck with Razor til 2027 regardless of results. Time to accept it.
Yip easier to change his staff Ala fossie
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.Schmidt is tied to Aus. That ship has sailed.
Regardless, he doesn’t want to work with Razor. They had a summit when Fozzie almost got rolled, and that was one of the outcomes (apparently)
