All Blacks v Springboks I
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@His-Bobness To channel The Dude - I hate the fucking Eagles, man!
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Guys....we won!!!
Billed as the biggest test on NZ soil since the 2011 RWC Final - or maybe Lions III
We didn't lose the Eden Park voodoo. We stopped the rot vs the Jaapies. We're the number 1 team in the world and we're leading The Rugby Championship - with 2/3 home games to come.
Saw an article today suggesting we're a year ahead of Rassie in developing players for the next RWC.
Maybe the worm is turning!
Channel the Eagles: Take it easy. Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy!
Tell Razor Life in the Fastlane, surely make you lose your mind!!
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@His-Bobness To channel The Dude - I hate the fucking Eagles, man!
Well you did bring them up...
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@Chris-B stoked that we won.
But this is not a vintage side. Lots of errors and poor decision making. Bokke were uncharacteristically bad with unforced errors.
We won, but like a lot of our victories it was far from comfortable - despite some early points.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Loving the balance of the loosies for once
Parker at 6 looks to the manor born.
Wally getting back to 100.
RD at 7 hitting rucks rather than the usual seagulling.
Parker and Sititi no doubt but agree with earlier poster Savea was a bit anonymous at 7 and only really had a impact on the game when he moved to 8. Is he better suited to impact off the the bench with a Lakai or Papali'i starting at 7?
There is simply no way Ardie is going to benched so I think the current set up is the best option they have going forward with I suspect Lakai the guy to take the bench loose forward spot.
Agreed. My personal preference, though, would be to let Lakai have a shot starting at 7, Parker at 6 and RD at 8. Then let Wally loose early in second and RD can switch to 7.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Just happened to switch onto The Breakdown. Mils and Marshall both thought we kicked too much from 9. They both wanted to see more kicking from 10, more manipulation of their back three. I can't believe it
You disagree with less 9 box kicking?
I don’t agree with you!
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Just happened to switch onto The Breakdown. Mils and Marshall both thought we kicked too much from 9. They both wanted to see more kicking from 10, more manipulation of their back three. I can't believe it
You disagree with less 9 box kicking?
I don’t agree with you!
If you read my posts you will know I HATE box kicks and felt we overegged on them big time. I just can't believe they said something so commonsensical! (Of course, Goldie tried to make the counterargument, loyal company man that he is
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@nzzp Yeah - but, we've got a propensity to measure everything against our 2015 team.
Which was the culmination of 12 years of building a team around some guys who turned out to be all time greats.
Our history is littered with teams with plenty of journeymen - stumbling and bumbling, but generally staying on the right side of the ledger.
Ce;ebrate this one!
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp Yeah - but, we've got a propensity to measure everything against our 2015 team.
Which was the culmination of 12 years of building a team around some guys who turned out to be all time greats.
Our history is littered with teams with plenty of journeymen - stumbling and bumbling, but generally staying on the right side of the ledger.
Ce;ebrate this one!
Yep I don’t think we’ll see another side like the 2015 one in our lifetime. So many greats in that team.
This is a growing team that have shown glimpses of potential, we all just have to be patient.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp Yeah - but, we've got a propensity to measure everything against our 2015 team.
Which was the culmination of 12 years of building a team around some guys who turned out to be all time greats.
Our history is littered with teams with plenty of journeymen - stumbling and bumbling, but generally staying on the right side of the ledger.
Ce;ebrate this one!
Yep I don’t think we’ll see another side like the 2015 one in our lifetime. So many greats in that team.
This is a growing team that have shown glimpses of potential, we all just have to be patient.
That first 20 minutes was a tease. I want to see them play with that sort of clarity and purpose for closer to 80 minutes
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Guys....we won!!!
Billed as the biggest test on NZ soil since the 2011 RWC Final - or maybe Lions III
We didn't lose the Eden Park voodoo. We stopped the rot vs the Jaapies. We're the number 1 team in the world and we're leading The Rugby Championship - with 2/3 home games to come.
Saw an article today suggesting we're a year ahead of Rassie in developing players for the next RWC.
Maybe the worm is turning!
Channel the Eagles: Take it easy. Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy!
Yep
I was shocked at the post game negativity on the Fern
I was buzzing -
There's obvious upsides too.
Clarke, Roigard, Love, QT will add value to the backline -
I think the big question is has Razor commited to having BB as the incumbent 10 to the next WC in 2027.
Even if he has he could be smarter by giving the backups time and experience at 10.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
However, I would say Beauden is the one 10 you know who won't go to pieces under pressure.
He goes to pieces under pressure plenty, I really don't buy that. Have we forgotten he's the ultimate for getting caught in the backfield and shovelling a pass ( or attempted pass) to a player in often a worse position?
Are you trying to say he's the King of hospital passes?
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Guys....we won!!!
Billed as the biggest test on NZ soil since the 2011 RWC Final - or maybe Lions III
We didn't lose the Eden Park voodoo. We stopped the rot vs the Jaapies. We're the number 1 team in the world and we're leading The Rugby Championship - with 2/3 home games to come.
Saw an article today suggesting we're a year ahead of Rassie in developing players for the next RWC.
Maybe the worm is turning!
Channel the Eagles: Take it easy. Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy!
Yep
I was shocked at the post game negativity on the Fern
I was buzzingI was thankful we secured an ugly win against the old foe to keep the Eden Park record intact.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Frank Yes, there’s still plenty to admire about BB. And he is a quintessential professional. No argument. My point, however, is the team is not developing. They’ve risked new names in the forwards in the past year and it’s paid off - Sititi, Holland, Parker - but they’re still shuffling from the same old deck in the backs. It seems inordinately conservative. To be fair, the half-back pandemic has tied their hands.
I think they actually kneecap their own bolters too with this method of conservatism.
You get selected for the squad ala Love or Leroy Carter and then instead of riding the crest of the wave of the media and familial circle jerk that follows, you're left to stew in camp for 4 or 5 or 6 weeks without getting a gig.
You must be a ball of nerves by the time you get your chance, and everything is riding on it (in your mind).
Whereas post initial selection, give them minutes off the bench in the first test or so and they can relax into camp after getting their cap and they properly feel like they belong.
Its also a reason I lament the disappearance of the early season "touch up" against a Fiji or a Tonga.
Give lads first caps, get monkeys off backs, pre/post match press conferences/interviews etc...then get on with the job at hand for the rest of the season with a fully bought in and not disillusioned squad.
Now we are having conversations like "you cant start Love against the Boks"......."you cant start Preston"......."you cant throw him in there" etc etc. Its nonsense.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Frank Yes, there’s still plenty to admire about BB. And he is a quintessential professional. No argument. My point, however, is the team is not developing. They’ve risked new names in the forwards in the past year and it’s paid off - Sititi, Holland, Parker - but they’re still shuffling from the same old deck in the backs. It seems inordinately conservative. To be fair, the half-back pandemic has tied their hands.
I think they actually kneecap their own bolters too with this method of conservatism.
You get selected for the squad ala Love or Leroy Carter and then instead of riding the crest of the wave of the media and familial circle jerk that follows, you're left to stew in camp for 4 or 5 or 6 weeks without getting a gig.
You must be a ball of nerves by the time you get your chance, and everything is riding on it (in your mind).
Whereas post initial selection, give them minutes off the bench in the first test or so and they can relax into camp after getting their cap and they properly feel like they belong.
Its also a reason I lament the disappearance of the early season "touch up" against a Fiji or a Tonga.
Give lads first caps, get monkeys off backs, pre/post match press conferences/interviews etc...then get on with the job at hand for the rest of the season with a fully bought in and not disillusioned squad.
Now we are having conversations like "you cant start Love against the Boks"......."you cant start Preston"......."you cant throw him in there" etc etc. Its nonsense.
We need to show a little more courage, and expose them to the top teams without tossing them in the deep end
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Frank Yes, there’s still plenty to admire about BB. And he is a quintessential professional. No argument. My point, however, is the team is not developing. They’ve risked new names in the forwards in the past year and it’s paid off - Sititi, Holland, Parker - but they’re still shuffling from the same old deck in the backs. It seems inordinately conservative. To be fair, the half-back pandemic has tied their hands.
I think they actually kneecap their own bolters too with this method of conservatism.
You get selected for the squad ala Love or Leroy Carter and then instead of riding the crest of the wave of the media and familial circle jerk that follows, you're left to stew in camp for 4 or 5 or 6 weeks without getting a gig.
You must be a ball of nerves by the time you get your chance, and everything is riding on it (in your mind).
Whereas post initial selection, give them minutes off the bench in the first test or so and they can relax into camp after getting their cap and they properly feel like they belong.
Its also a reason I lament the disappearance of the early season "touch up" against a Fiji or a Tonga.
Give lads first caps, get monkeys off backs, pre/post match press conferences/interviews etc...then get on with the job at hand for the rest of the season with a fully bought in and not disillusioned squad.
Now we are having conversations like "you cant start Love against the Boks"......."you cant start Preston"......."you cant throw him in there" etc etc. Its nonsense.
We need to show a little more courage, and expose them to the top teams without tossing them in the deep end
Imagine we had the injury crisis now, that we have at 9, but at 10.
So DMAC and Beaudy are out.........then what?
When did we become so spineless at the selection table? If you are good enough you are old enough.
Ruben Love is 2 years older than Joseph Sua'ali'i.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Guys....we won!!!
Billed as the biggest test on NZ soil since the 2011 RWC Final - or maybe Lions III
We didn't lose the Eden Park voodoo. We stopped the rot vs the Jaapies. We're the number 1 team in the world and we're leading The Rugby Championship - with 2/3 home games to come.
Saw an article today suggesting we're a year ahead of Rassie in developing players for the next RWC.
Maybe the worm is turning!
Channel the Eagles: Take it easy. Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy!
Ways to go yet, but def. getting there.
We re-captured the spirit of the RWC2023 knock-out stages last night and I think that's hugely significant as it's now with a set of forwards with some depth. Hope we can keep doing that.
Need to build some depth from 10-15 pretty urgently though. Looks a bit of a mess to me.
