Rugby Championship scrapped?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 i think the idea is less about us watching it...as the potential down turn of rugby in aus if they don't have a high level comp to attract interest. that assuming you buy into the idea we need a string local opposition (aussie) to keep us honest
Yep understand that kiwi, and do think we want strong local competition, but see no point in worrying about it. If I lived in Aus I would maybe have a little concern, but I don't so c'est la vie. I genuinely would worry if NPC etc was changed, but what Aus and Arg do isn't high on my list. I would almost bet a huge percentage of Aus rugby people aren't worried about NZ and SA apart from it meaning they get less tests etc.
I@Dan54 thats fair...but i can assure you aussie rugby people i talk too are a bit annoyed for the exact same reason we're doing these tours, you want to be playing team on your level or even better, in a lot of ways the ABs are to the wallabies what the bokke are to the AB's
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@Dan54 thats fair...but i can assure you aussie rugby people i talk too are a bit annoyed for the exact same reason we're doing these tours, you want to be playing team on your level or even better, in a lot of ways the ABs are to the wallabies what the bokke are to the AB's
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 thats fair...but i can assure you aussie rugby people i talk too are a bit annoyed for the exact same reason we're doing these tours, you want to be playing team on your level or even better, in a lot of ways the ABs are to the wallabies what the bokke are to the AB's
I understand that mate. But you look at almost any Aus rugby forum etc, (and I found when I lived there) I found it quite different to how we and SA are. As you say they annoyed that we doing these tours, but genuinely I am happy that NZR and SA rugby unions are doing what THEIR OWN f***en supporters want. I know we want Aus strong, but I had a lot of time explaining to Aussies that NZR's first bloody job is NZ rugby, and although they take note of Aus rugby, they should never be first in their thinking. NZ rugby should be! Mate as you say, and what I read, NZR are (as usual) not caring about Aus rugby and ripping the TRC apart.
Want to know something there are 2 countries from in TRC involved, but we only hear how the poor Aussies are being shafted by NZR?
See apart from this year, it has been oh yeah the TRC again (yawn). And that has been from many in Aus too. -
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 thats fair...but i can assure you aussie rugby people i talk too are a bit annoyed for the exact same reason we're doing these tours, you want to be playing team on your level or even better, in a lot of ways the ABs are to the wallabies what the bokke are to the AB's
I understand that mate. But you look at almost any Aus rugby forum etc, (and I found when I lived there) I found it quite different to how we and SA are. As you say they annoyed that we doing these tours, but genuinely I am happy that NZR and SA rugby unions are doing what THEIR OWN f***en supporters want. I know we want Aus strong, but I had a lot of time explaining to Aussies that NZR's first bloody job is NZ rugby, and although they take note of Aus rugby, they should never be first in their thinking. NZ rugby should be! Mate as you say, and what I read, NZR are (as usual) not caring about Aus rugby and ripping the TRC apart.
Want to know something there are 2 countries from in TRC involved, but we only hear how the poor Aussies are being shafted by NZR?
See apart from this year, it has been oh yeah the TRC again (yawn). And that has been from many in Aus too.@Dan54 i guess thats just where we come at it differently, im actually not worried about playing SA 4 times, i would rather plays against different teams...and i kind of think playing against a wider range of string teams would be better for NZ in the long run, not about doing aussie a favour
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@Dan54 i guess thats just where we come at it differently, im actually not worried about playing SA 4 times, i would rather plays against different teams...and i kind of think playing against a wider range of string teams would be better for NZ in the long run, not about doing aussie a favour
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 i guess thats just where we come at it differently, im actually not worried about playing SA 4 times, i would rather plays against different teams...and i kind of think playing against a wider range of string teams would be better for NZ in the long run, not about doing aussie a favour
3 or 4 kiwi? I guess you weren't into Wallabies playing Lions 3 times? Or when we has 3 tests for Bled etc. It's only one more, I wouldn't of mined a 3 test series, but the tour is the beauty part of it. The last one is an extra money spinner at Twickers! Aus till get same amount of tests against ABs (2)next year, so what's the problem?
For all the whinging from Aus, it's the Pumas who miss out, and ABs wern't due to tour Argentina next year anyway! -
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 i guess thats just where we come at it differently, im actually not worried about playing SA 4 times, i would rather plays against different teams...and i kind of think playing against a wider range of string teams would be better for NZ in the long run, not about doing aussie a favour
3 or 4 kiwi? I guess you weren't into Wallabies playing Lions 3 times? Or when we has 3 tests for Bled etc. It's only one more, I wouldn't of mined a 3 test series, but the tour is the beauty part of it. The last one is an extra money spinner at Twickers! Aus till get same amount of tests against ABs (2)next year, so what's the problem?
For all the whinging from Aus, it's the Pumas who miss out, and ABs wern't due to tour Argentina next year anyway!@Dan54 the lions is a bit different, its once every 12 years rather than a team we play multipe times every year, generally no i wasnt overly down for a 3rd bledisloe......i generally prefer the 6 nations one game each format....less frequent = more special
ive seen Argentinians complain too, the abs were touring but they would have still played
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I'm with Dan on this one.
I assume there is guna be some sort of Bledisloe happening that season.
That's a good money spinner, so I'm sure there will be something.The RC is OK, but I dont get extra excited . . . yeah . . . whatever . . .
Now SA v NZ . . . yes please! -
@Dan54 the lions is a bit different, its once every 12 years rather than a team we play multipe times every year, generally no i wasnt overly down for a 3rd bledisloe......i generally prefer the 6 nations one game each format....less frequent = more special
ive seen Argentinians complain too, the abs were touring but they would have still played
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 the lions is a bit different, its once every 12 years rather than a team we play multipe times every year, generally no i wasnt overly down for a 3rd bledisloe......i generally prefer the 6 nations one game each format....less frequent = more special
ive seen Argentinians complain too, the abs were touring but they would have still played
As I say kiwi, I bloody pleased SAR and NZR are giving us what Saffas and NZers want, and I don't think there should be any apologies for it. You right about Lions is only every 12 years, but it been a bloody sight longer than that since we have has tours with SA. I would guess you living overseas? I can tell you these dates were released last night, I have only been to supermarket toady, and have had 2 people I vaguely know say to me with excitement, have you seen the tour dates for next year?
Don't forget RA were all for organising a tour in 2028, until the extra interst in RC this year. Unfortunate problem being reactive and not proactive like SA and NZ were. -
I'm with Dan on this one.
I assume there is guna be some sort of Bledisloe happening that season.
That's a good money spinner, so I'm sure there will be something.The RC is OK, but I dont get extra excited . . . yeah . . . whatever . . .
Now SA v NZ . . . yes please!@mohikamo said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
I'm with Dan on this one.
I assume there is guna be some sort of Bledisloe happening that season.
That's a good money spinner, so I'm sure there will be something.The RC is OK, but I dont get extra excited . . . yeah . . . whatever . . .
Now SA v NZ . . . yes please!Yep still 2 Bled game next year .
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@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 the lions is a bit different, its once every 12 years rather than a team we play multipe times every year, generally no i wasnt overly down for a 3rd bledisloe......i generally prefer the 6 nations one game each format....less frequent = more special
ive seen Argentinians complain too, the abs were touring but they would have still played
As I say kiwi, I bloody pleased SAR and NZR are giving us what Saffas and NZers want, and I don't think there should be any apologies for it. You right about Lions is only every 12 years, but it been a bloody sight longer than that since we have has tours with SA. I would guess you living overseas? I can tell you these dates were released last night, I have only been to supermarket toady, and have had 2 people I vaguely know say to me with excitement, have you seen the tour dates for next year?
Don't forget RA were all for organising a tour in 2028, until the extra interst in RC this year. Unfortunate problem being reactive and not proactive like SA and NZ were.*some people kiwis
awesome there are people that are going to love it, just saying not everyone. I had lots of discussion with people whilst living in NZ about playing the same teams too often each year, especially that year we played SA and AU 3 times each in the RC
and once again...yes its been ages since we had a tour....but we have played twice every year since the last tour....which is still very different from not playing a team at all for 12 years...and you were just saying a couple of posts ago 4 isn;t much more the 3 or 2....so its kind of needs to be this once a career event for players....or a small change...cant be both
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*some people kiwis
awesome there are people that are going to love it, just saying not everyone. I had lots of discussion with people whilst living in NZ about playing the same teams too often each year, especially that year we played SA and AU 3 times each in the RC
and once again...yes its been ages since we had a tour....but we have played twice every year since the last tour....which is still very different from not playing a team at all for 12 years...and you were just saying a couple of posts ago 4 isn;t much more the 3 or 2....so its kind of needs to be this once a career event for players....or a small change...cant be both
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
*some people kiwis
awesome there are people that are going to love it, just saying not everyone. I had lots of discussion with people whilst living in NZ about playing the same teams too often each year, especially that year we played SA and AU 3 times each in the RC
and once again...yes its been ages since we had a tour....but we have played twice every year since the last tour....which is still very different from not playing a team at all for 12 years...and you were just saying a couple of posts ago 4 isn;t much more the 3 or 2....so its kind of needs to be this once a career event for players....or a small change...cant be both
Not sure what you mean, are you saying Lions tours are lessened because many Lions do multiple tours? Once again, I agree once every 4 years is plenty often enough for these tours with SA, that's once in each country every 8 years. I also say I would be happy if RC was scrapped and we didn't play it (and ech other) as often as we do. So scrap the RC is the answer? I not sure what it is, but this is a bloody good start. As I say I understand that some in Aus are pissed off, that doesn't worry me. I make no two ways about it, I am bloody happy with the tour and even if it 4 tests , the fact is boards have to take opportunities to make cash unfortunately. RA will be ok, aren't they trumpeting $100 mill profit from Lions , and similar from WC in 27, so why the problem of SA and NZ doing something. You ave to remember SA missed out on a fortune when Lions toured and covid was hammering the world. It's not all about Aus mate!
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@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
*some people kiwis
awesome there are people that are going to love it, just saying not everyone. I had lots of discussion with people whilst living in NZ about playing the same teams too often each year, especially that year we played SA and AU 3 times each in the RC
and once again...yes its been ages since we had a tour....but we have played twice every year since the last tour....which is still very different from not playing a team at all for 12 years...and you were just saying a couple of posts ago 4 isn;t much more the 3 or 2....so its kind of needs to be this once a career event for players....or a small change...cant be both
Not sure what you mean, are you saying Lions tours are lessened because many Lions do multiple tours? Once again, I agree once every 4 years is plenty often enough for these tours with SA, that's once in each country every 8 years. I also say I would be happy if RC was scrapped and we didn't play it (and ech other) as often as we do. So scrap the RC is the answer? I not sure what it is, but this is a bloody good start. As I say I understand that some in Aus are pissed off, that doesn't worry me. I make no two ways about it, I am bloody happy with the tour and even if it 4 tests , the fact is boards have to take opportunities to make cash unfortunately. RA will be ok, aren't they trumpeting $100 mill profit from Lions , and similar from WC in 27, so why the problem of SA and NZ doing something. You ave to remember SA missed out on a fortune when Lions toured and covid was hammering the world. It's not all about Aus mate!
@Dan54 no i was saying the lions tour is not really comparable to us touring SA as you were suggesting because they are so infrequent, yes the tour next year will be different....but we will still have played SA within 12 months as opposed to 12 years
no, RA got $100M flat fee for the RWC and a fair chunk is already gone on debt with little making it past the super teams, and not sure how else to word im not stressing about aussie...but about how i feel a competitive RC like this year is better for the AB's than exhibition games against the SA franchise and repetitive games against the Bokke
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@Dan54 the lions is a bit different, its once every 12 years rather than a team we play multipe times every year, generally no i wasnt overly down for a 3rd bledisloe......i generally prefer the 6 nations one game each format....less frequent = more special
ive seen Argentinians complain too, the abs were touring but they would have still played
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 the lions is a bit different, its once every 12 years rather than a team we play multipe times every year, generally no i wasnt overly down for a 3rd bledisloe......i generally prefer the 6 nations one game each format....less frequent = more special
ive seen Argentinians complain too, the abs were touring but they would have still played
The length of and number of games in the 6Ns is no doubt influenced by the domestic comps though and the long duration of those seasons. With two breaks in their domestic seasons for SH EOYTs and 6Ns whilst trying to maintain interest in their domestic comps is a balancing act.
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@Dan54 no i was saying the lions tour is not really comparable to us touring SA as you were suggesting because they are so infrequent, yes the tour next year will be different....but we will still have played SA within 12 months as opposed to 12 years
no, RA got $100M flat fee for the RWC and a fair chunk is already gone on debt with little making it past the super teams, and not sure how else to word im not stressing about aussie...but about how i feel a competitive RC like this year is better for the AB's than exhibition games against the SA franchise and repetitive games against the Bokke
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 no i was saying the lions tour is not really comparable to us touring SA as you were suggesting because they are so infrequent, yes the tour next year will be different....but we will still have played SA within 12 months as opposed to 12 years
no, RA got $100M flat fee for the RWC and a fair chunk is already gone on debt with little making it past the super teams, and not sure how else to word im not stressing about aussie...but about how i feel a competitive RC like this year is better for the AB's than exhibition games against the SA franchise and repetitive games against the Bokke
Well Phil Waugh is a liar if you correct mate. I saw him in Inside Rugby last week saying RA has cleared debt with profit from Lions tour ($100 mill) and the money from WC will go into a fund. Who should I believe?
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So it's not the tours that are messing with the RC it's the Nations Cup?
Why do people find the RC tired? I love watching all those games. I also don't see why, under the current format that the longish tours can't be integrated into it every couple of years.
@Nepia said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
So it's not the tours that are messing with the RC it's the Nations Cup?
Why do people find the RC tired? I love watching all those games. I also don't see why, under the current format that the longish tours can't be integrated into it every couple of years.
No? Nations Championship doesn't affect the Rugby Championship window.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Dan54 no i was saying the lions tour is not really comparable to us touring SA as you were suggesting because they are so infrequent, yes the tour next year will be different....but we will still have played SA within 12 months as opposed to 12 years
no, RA got $100M flat fee for the RWC and a fair chunk is already gone on debt with little making it past the super teams, and not sure how else to word im not stressing about aussie...but about how i feel a competitive RC like this year is better for the AB's than exhibition games against the SA franchise and repetitive games against the Bokke
Well Phil Waugh is a liar if you correct mate. I saw him in Inside Rugby last week saying RA has cleared debt with profit from Lions tour ($100 mill) and the money from WC will go into a fund. Who should I believe?
Yeah the Lions money was used to retire debt and is all gone.
They're getting 100 mil for the RWC, and if they whinge to WR, they might even get some of it early.The domestic pro game in Aus is now at where it's always guna be.
Pressure from AFL and NRL was much too intense.
NZR doesn't really need to be concerned about that. Nothing they can do is guna change much. -
@Nepia said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
So it's not the tours that are messing with the RC it's the Nations Cup?
Why do people find the RC tired? I love watching all those games. I also don't see why, under the current format that the longish tours can't be integrated into it every couple of years.
No? Nations Championship doesn't affect the Rugby Championship window.
@Mr-Fish said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Nepia said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
So it's not the tours that are messing with the RC it's the Nations Cup?
Why do people find the RC tired? I love watching all those games. I also don't see why, under the current format that the longish tours can't be integrated into it every couple of years.
No? Nations Championship doesn't affect the Rugby Championship window.
Ah right, I think I just looked at 26 and 27 and the RC wasn;'t on in 26 when Nations Cup was on, and was back on again in 27. Then I clearly didn't look at 28 and 29.
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@Mr-Fish said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Nepia said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
So it's not the tours that are messing with the RC it's the Nations Cup?
Why do people find the RC tired? I love watching all those games. I also don't see why, under the current format that the longish tours can't be integrated into it every couple of years.
No? Nations Championship doesn't affect the Rugby Championship window.
Ah right, I think I just looked at 26 and 27 and the RC wasn;'t on in 26 when Nations Cup was on, and was back on again in 27. Then I clearly didn't look at 28 and 29.
@Nepia said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Mr-Fish said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
@Nepia said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
So it's not the tours that are messing with the RC it's the Nations Cup?
Why do people find the RC tired? I love watching all those games. I also don't see why, under the current format that the longish tours can't be integrated into it every couple of years.
No? Nations Championship doesn't affect the Rugby Championship window.
Ah right, I think I just looked at 26 and 27 and the RC wasn;'t on in 26 when Nations Cup was on, and was back on again in 27. Then I clearly didn't look at 28 and 29.
Yep Nepia , the RC was at frist being binned in 28 (RA wanted that too, and an AB tour of Aus) as RA thought the idea of tours were good too. Then after RC went well this year, they all changed mind , I think on RA's push to start with. For all the moans anyway Aus don't get hurt, we still got 2 tests against Wallabies next year as usual.
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The thing is, this current crop of ABs were either not born or in just out of nappies the last time the ABs toured SA, so on one hand it is something new for them, it probably also doesn't hold the prestige that these tours used to, to many of them, especially when the last tours were a big deal, it was the Tri Nations and professionalism was new.
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The thing is, this current crop of ABs were either not born or in just out of nappies the last time the ABs toured SA, so on one hand it is something new for them, it probably also doesn't hold the prestige that these tours used to, to many of them, especially when the last tours were a big deal, it was the Tri Nations and professionalism was new.
@taniwharugby said in Rugby Championship scrapped?:
The thing is, this current crop of ABs were either not born or in just out of nappies the last time the ABs toured SA, so on one hand it is something new for them, it probably also doesn't hold the prestige that these tours used to, to many of them, especially when the last tours were a big deal, it was the Tri Nations and professionalism was new.
That stuff can be taught.
Apparently Jonah didn't even know who Pine tree Meads was when he first met him but it's fair to say he grew to appreciate what being an AB was all about.
