Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2
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People I’m speaking to in Christchurch are even starting to call Razor conservative and boring while not exactly looking promising… that says a lot.
This tour is a lot bigger than just winning these games, this is about playing positive rugby and looking comfortable doing it. There are signs every now and then but it is just so inconsistent. Very un all black like if you will.
I’d like to see them be bold. Start that young guy. Take that risk. Now is the time. If we start taking risks and making bold calls in 2027 then it’s already too late.
I hope we take that leap forward and turn a corner. If we don’t then the heat will really be on this coaching group.
Come on the boys. Up the ABs!
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I reckon if he wins all 4 it's huge, doesn't matter how we play. Which is a sad state of affairs for the ABs to be in.
I remember the days of wondering if we might lose one in a surprise result, rather than the opposite.
@Bones said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I reckon if he wins all 4 it's huge, doesn't matter how we play. Which is a sad state of affairs for the ABs to be in.
I remember the days of wondering if we might lose one in a surprise result, rather than the opposite.
it would be huge and I hope we win, but what is more likely win four based on how we have been playing? (not capability) or losing at least two?
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@Bones said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I reckon if he wins all 4 it's huge, doesn't matter how we play. Which is a sad state of affairs for the ABs to be in.
I remember the days of wondering if we might lose one in a surprise result, rather than the opposite.
it would be huge and I hope we win, but what is more likely win four based on how we have been playing? (not capability) or losing at least two?
@bayimports said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Bones said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I reckon if he wins all 4 it's huge, doesn't matter how we play. Which is a sad state of affairs for the ABs to be in.
I remember the days of wondering if we might lose one in a surprise result, rather than the opposite.
it would be huge and I hope we win, but what is more likely win four based on how we have been playing? (not capability) or losing at least two?
That's kinda the point. Going off the past two years, it's highly unlikely - ergo, huge. Sad times.
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I reckon if he wins all 4 it's huge, doesn't matter how we play. Which is a sad state of affairs for the ABs to be in.
I remember the days of wondering if we might lose one in a surprise result, rather than the opposite.
@Bones said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I reckon if he wins all 4 it's huge, doesn't matter how we play. Which is a sad state of affairs for the ABs to be in.
I wouldn't mind a loss if we were progressing with new players or game-plan. But we're not, so yeah, you're right.
I remember the days of wondering if we might lose one in a surprise result, rather than the opposite.
Nowadays I wonder/worry about 30pt losses.
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@Bones said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I reckon if he wins all 4 it's huge, doesn't matter how we play. Which is a sad state of affairs for the ABs to be in.
I wouldn't mind a loss if we were progressing with new players or game-plan. But we're not, so yeah, you're right.
I remember the days of wondering if we might lose one in a surprise result, rather than the opposite.
Nowadays I wonder/worry about 30pt losses.
@Victor-Meldrew oh come on, clearly there's progress when you compare to the same fixture last year. Looks like half the team have been moved on or promoted from the bench!
1. Tamaiti Williams (16)
2. Asafo Aumua (17)
3. Tyrel Lomax (41)
4. Scott Barrett (77) (Captain)
5. Tupou Vaa’i (35)
6. Wallace Sititi (7)
7. Sam Cane (102)
8. Ardie Savea (91) (Vice-Captain)
9. Cortez Ratima (9)
10. Damian McKenzie (58)
11. Caleb Clarke (26)
12. Jordie Barrett (66) (Vice-Captain)
13. Rieko Ioane (78)
14. Mark Tele’a (17)
15. Will Jordan (38)16. George Bell (2)
17. Ofa Tu’ungafasi (65)
18. Pasilio Tosi (5)
19. Patrick Tuipulotu (48)
20. Samipeni Finau (6)
21. Cam Roigard (7)
22. Anton Lienert-Brown (81)
23. Stephen Perofeta (6) -
@Victor-Meldrew oh come on, clearly there's progress when you compare to the same fixture last year. Looks like half the team have been moved on or promoted from the bench!
1. Tamaiti Williams (16)
2. Asafo Aumua (17)
3. Tyrel Lomax (41)
4. Scott Barrett (77) (Captain)
5. Tupou Vaa’i (35)
6. Wallace Sititi (7)
7. Sam Cane (102)
8. Ardie Savea (91) (Vice-Captain)
9. Cortez Ratima (9)
10. Damian McKenzie (58)
11. Caleb Clarke (26)
12. Jordie Barrett (66) (Vice-Captain)
13. Rieko Ioane (78)
14. Mark Tele’a (17)
15. Will Jordan (38)16. George Bell (2)
17. Ofa Tu’ungafasi (65)
18. Pasilio Tosi (5)
19. Patrick Tuipulotu (48)
20. Samipeni Finau (6)
21. Cam Roigard (7)
22. Anton Lienert-Brown (81)
23. Stephen Perofeta (6)Personally, I think the problem is lack of Test rugby experience...
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Personally, I think the problem is lack of Test rugby experience...
@Victor-Meldrew said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Personally, I think the problem is lack of Test rugby experience...
To be fair, your personal lack of test rugby experience probably isn't having much influence on the 2025 ABs. Sorry bud.
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Personally, I think the problem is lack of Test rugby experience...
@Victor-Meldrew said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Personally, I think the problem is lack of Test rugby experience...
For guys not named Savea or Barrett?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Personally, I think the problem is lack of Test rugby experience...
To be fair, your personal lack of test rugby experience probably isn't having much influence on the 2025 ABs. Sorry bud.
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I don't know how anyone could watch the last 12 months of rugby, and decide not to pick Pledger for even the ABXV, while BB starts every test.
We are so fucking conservative, we are killing ourselves.@reprobate said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I don't know how anyone could watch the last 12 months of rugby, and decide not to pick Pledger for even the ABXV, while BB starts every test.
We are so fucking conservative, we are killing ourselves.Arsenal had a 15 year old lining up for them during the week.
Max Dowman. He is incredible.
If you are good enough you are old enough.
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@reprobate said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I don't know how anyone could watch the last 12 months of rugby, and decide not to pick Pledger for even the ABXV, while BB starts every test.
We are so fucking conservative, we are killing ourselves.Arsenal had a 15 year old lining up for them during the week.
Max Dowman. He is incredible.
If you are good enough you are old enough.
@Jet said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@reprobate said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I don't know how anyone could watch the last 12 months of rugby, and decide not to pick Pledger for even the ABXV, while BB starts every test.
We are so fucking conservative, we are killing ourselves.Arsenal had a 15 year old lining up for them during the week.
Max Dowman. He is incredible.
If you are good enough you are old enough.
Is he eligible for us?
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People I’m speaking to in Christchurch are even starting to call Razor conservative and boring while not exactly looking promising… that says a lot.
This tour is a lot bigger than just winning these games, this is about playing positive rugby and looking comfortable doing it. There are signs every now and then but it is just so inconsistent. Very un all black like if you will.
I’d like to see them be bold. Start that young guy. Take that risk. Now is the time. If we start taking risks and making bold calls in 2027 then it’s already too late.
I hope we take that leap forward and turn a corner. If we don’t then the heat will really be on this coaching group.
Come on the boys. Up the ABs!
@Landers92 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I’d like to see them be bold. Start that young guy. Take that risk. Now is the time. If we start taking risks and making bold calls in 2027 then it’s already too late.
Wayne Smith's advice based on previous experience with a GS, is that you need to use the whole squad. I reckon by the Welsh test, there will be players who either haven't played or been given only a few token minutes.
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99% sure I walked past Joe Schmidt in London last night. Did a double take and thought to myself, ‘What’s he doing here, shouldn’t he be in Chicago?’ Then a couple seconds later the penny dropped.
@game_film said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Then a couple seconds later the penny dropped.
Hanging from the rafters? Rob will do anything to escape Christchurch.
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Whoever is persisting with picking over the hill guys like BB, whether it's Razor or someone higher up forcing his hand, they need to be binned. They are damaging our legacy
