All Blacks v Wales Test #3
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<p>rewatch it, I dont think his intention was to pull him (the 9) in, he was driving through head down, and he grabbed a player with his right arm to ensure he was bound and as he has pulled to get a bind what would normally be a bound forward, but it was the 9 who wasnt part of the ruck on the opposing side</p>
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<p>That said, is a daft rule really, the Welsh did the exact same thing several minutes later but got away with it as it was Naholo who they pulled into the ruck, not the 9, happens all the time to those who are not wearing 9 on thier back.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="KiwiPie" data-cid="592271" data-time="1467005581"><p>Cane seemed to be trying to impose himself at the rucks a la Richie in the first half - like Richie he risked being penalised and he was - hence the yellow. Thought he came on strong once he was back on the field, lovely pass to Dane Coles, and the steal before Dagg's final strolling try. And he makes a lot of strong tackles (as do a fair few of the forwards). I sense a growing force on the internet for Ardie Savea but they really needed to start him in one of these games if they are thinking of throwing him into a RC match as starter.</p></blockquote>
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Cane led every category that matters, very good performance, possibly helped by getting a 10 min rest. <br><br>
Hopefully will develop some GOAT-like guile to make himself less obvious to the officials. Loved it when Webb bullet-passed the ball into his head as he tried to make himself inconspicuous on the wrong side of the ruck.<br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Marty" data-cid="592340" data-time="1467018523"><p>Cane led every category that matters, very good performance, possibly helped by getting a 10 min rest. <br><br></p></blockquote>
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I thought Cane played pretty well. High workrate. Excellent tackler. <br><br>
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Cane has a huge engine and would be the 2nd best tackler in the squad (imo). However, the 4 penalties and YC point point to a below average game for me. Take those out and I'd have probably voted him top 3. The penalties seem a bit out of character for a guy who's usually a very accurate player. Still think he's got quite a gap on Sevea for the 7 jersey. Was interesting that Savea wasn't needed for the third test. Probably shows where he is in the pecking order.
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<p>Cane has a huge engine and would be the 2nd best tackler in the squad (imo). However, the 4 penalties and YC point point to a below average game for me. Take those out and I'd have probably voted him top 3. The penalties seem a bit out of character for a guy who's usually a very accurate player. Still think he's got quite a gap on Sevea for the 7 jersey. Was interesting that Savea wasn't needed for the third test. Probably shows where he is in the pecking order.</p>
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<p>I think that pecking order was well & truely established everwhere bar the Fern before the series started.</p>
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<p>The more worrying poiint for the "Ardie is the future" group on here would be Squire having a far bigger impact off the bench in his one test than Ardie had in his 2. If you watched all 3 & were told one of them is a one man linebreaking machine you'd be thinking it was Squire... I rate Ardie hugely as an impact player, but Squire looked better (albeit against a demoralised & exhausted Wales)</p> -
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<p>I think that pecking order was well & truely established everwhere bar the Fern before the series started.</p>
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<p>The more worrying poiint for the "Ardie is the future" group on here would be Squire having a far bigger impact off the bench in his one test than Ardie had in his 2. If you watched all 3 & were told one of them is a one man linebreaking machine you'd be thinking it was Squire... I rate Ardie hugely as an impact player, but Squire looked better (albeit against a demoralised & exhausted Wales)</p>
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<p>Maybe the wine was kicking in, maybe I was distracted by inane statements from Mum and the other half ( fucken hell, watching Rugby with them was hard work ) but was Squire really that amazing ? definitely decent, but was his impact better than Saveas ?</p>
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<p>In terms of shit barnetts both of them make a huge impact it must be said.</p> -
Why can't we have both Squire and Savea off the bench. Food for thought!!!!
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Patrick plus Ardie plus squire , <br><br>
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<p>Maybe the wine was kicking in, maybe I was distracted by inane statements from Mum and the other half ( fucken hell, watching Rugby with them was hard work ) but was Squire really that amazing ? definitely decent, but was his impact better than Saveas ?</p>
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<p>Squire was good, but there's a fair bit of excessive egg in lots of the post-match commentary on many players and topics.</p>
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<p>Liam came on and shortly after made three good surging runs in short order, so that sticks in the memory. In the same way that Savea starts with a couple of fumbles and it's very hard to redeem yourself in people's memories.</p>
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<p>There's nothing like having a couple of good runs with ball in hand to impress the punters and boost your media player scores. Hitting rucks and making tackles - unless they're Jerry Collins' specials - just don't carry the same weight. </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://haka.co.nz/author/tracey/'>http://haka.co.nz/author/tracey/</a></p> -
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<p>Why can't we have both Squire and Savea off the bench. Food for thought!!!!</p>
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<p>Squire is pretty tall. Backup lock option ?</p> -
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<p>Squire is pretty tall. Backup lock option ?</p>
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<p>Squire was good, but there's a fair bit of excessive egg in lots of the post-match commentary on many players and topics.</p>
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<p>Liam came on and shortly after made three good surging runs in short order, so that sticks in the memory. In the same way that Savea starts with a couple of fumbles and it's very hard to redeem yourself in people's memories.</p>
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<p>There's nothing like having a couple of good runs with ball in hand to impress the punters and boost your media player scores. Hitting rucks and making tackles - unless they're Jerry Collins' specials - just don't carry the same weight. </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://haka.co.nz/author/tracey/'>http://haka.co.nz/author/tracey/</a></p>
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<p>What the hell, I thought we rate players on the Ardie Savea cameo rating these days and now you want to bring it back to actual stats?</p>
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<p>Actually, reading all those stats Squire shapes up pretty well across the board for the amount of time he was on the field. </p>
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<p>Not sure why a Ta$man fan is down on his contribution, his Palmy roots maybe? ;)</p> -
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<p>But Kaino and Read are ?</p>
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<p>yes.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Toddy" data-cid="592367" data-time="1467025953"><p>Cane has a huge engine and would be the 2nd best tackler in the squad (imo). However, the 4 penalties and YC point point to a below average game for me. Take those out and I'd have probably voted him top 3. The penalties seem a bit out of character for a guy who's usually a very accurate player. Still think he's got quite a gap on Sevea for the 7 jersey. Was interesting that Savea wasn't needed for the third test. Probably shows where he is in the pecking order.</p></blockquote>
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I don't think it's too much of a concern for Ardie. If you consider that even when Cane was the preferred number 2 openside to McCaw, sometimes the coaches just went with a bigger body on the bench (eg Vito, Messam). I think we will continue to see them mix it up with the bench selections. It's been a successful ploy to keep players hungry IMO. <br><br>
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I would almost be certain that Ardie and Cane will be in the 23 against the Aussies , <br><br>
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<p>What the hell, I thought we rate players on the Ardie Savea cameo rating these days and now you want to bring it back to actual stats?</p>
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<p>Actually, reading all those stats Squire shapes up pretty well across the board for the amount of time he was on the field. </p>
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<p>Not sure why a Ta$man fan is down on his contribution, his Palmy roots maybe? ;)</p>
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<p>I did say he was good - I'm just not sure a ten minute cameo is going to bump him up the pecking order ahead of Dixon (it won't in the minds of those who matter).</p> -
<p>yeah that coaching team don't know what they are doing, I mean fans can see more clearly than them...</p>
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<p>some of the comments on social media crack me up though, anyone would think this coaching team do not know what they are doing and we had just lost a series the way some bang on about their faves who don't make it!</p>
