Brisbane Global 10s
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@Stargazer is down to the player, their franchise and NZ Rugby together.
Some of these guys would play every week if they could, which isn't ideal long term. I know a player that would play super rugby on a Friday and play club footy on the Saturday, and used to get in trouble, yet still did it.
Just heard that Duco claim that there are ABs named in some of the squads they have received, so maybe there is a breakdown somewhere and this is once again turning into an attempt at bashing NZR?
Pretty sure players fronting marketing for the 9s haven't fronted to play too.
@taniwharugby said in Brisbane Global 10s:
@Stargazer is down to the player, their franchise and NZ Rugby together.
Some of these guys would play every week if they could, which isn't ideal long term. I know a player that would play super rugby on a Friday and play club footy on the Saturday, and used to get in trouble, yet still did it.
Just heard that Duco claim that there are ABs named in some of the squads they have received, so maybe there is a breakdown somewhere and this is once again turning into an attempt at bashing NZR?
Pretty sure players fronting marketing for the 9s haven't fronted to play too.
I don't think it is a breakdown in communication. The franchises submit a team based on the players that put their hands up. At that stage they haven't had the approval (or rejection) from the NZRU.
Has anyone defined where the line is being drawn? I can understand no Dagg for instance, but Jordie Barrett? DMac?
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I'm all for not risking All Blacks in this circus. Especially at the start of a big year where the Lions are the centrepiece. 12 weeks is a minimal break on the body after nine months of punishment, and shouldn't be curtailed. From a Crusaders POV I wouldn't risk the likes of a Mo'unga either, given how crucial he is to us. And if the Brumbies are increasing the farce factor by playing Larkham and Walker then we may as well roll out Mehrts, Afato So'oalo and Caleb fucking Ralph.
It's an exhibition tournament, it's doomed to failure, and I genuinely believe Duco and/or NZR have a false advertising case to answer.
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I'm all for not risking All Blacks in this circus. Especially at the start of a big year where the Lions are the centrepiece. 12 weeks is a minimal break on the body after nine months of punishment, and shouldn't be curtailed. From a Crusaders POV I wouldn't risk the likes of a Mo'unga either, given how crucial he is to us. And if the Brumbies are increasing the farce factor by playing Larkham and Walker then we may as well roll out Mehrts, Afato So'oalo and Caleb fucking Ralph.
It's an exhibition tournament, it's doomed to failure, and I genuinely believe Duco and/or NZR have a false advertising case to answer.
@shark said in Brisbane Global 10s:
I'm all for not risking All Blacks in this circus. Especially at the start of a big year where the Lions are the centrepiece. 12 weeks is a minimal break on the body after nine months of punishment, and shouldn't be curtailed. From a Crusaders POV I wouldn't risk the likes of a Mo'unga either, given how crucial he is to us. And if the Brumbies are increasing the farce factor by playing Larkham and Walker then we may as well roll out Mehrts, Afato So'oalo and Caleb fucking Ralph.
It's an exhibition tournament, it's doomed to failure, and I genuinely believe Duco and/or NZR have a false advertising case to answer.
Marika Vunibaka would be very upset with you.
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I'm all for keeping players injury free. But tell me, how much bigger is the injury risk of playing at the Brisbane 10s than preseason games on farm land or bad, rural rugby grounds?
I don't know if any of you watched the preseason game between the Highlanders and Crusaders in Waimumu (Gore) last year, but the condition of that field was horrendous, partially because of the wet weather. Several players got injured during that game (I remember Marty McKenzie being side-lined for weeks after that game).
The injury count after the preseason game between the Canes and Blues in Eketahuna was also terrible, except that here the ground was hard and dry due to the hot weather. Motu Matu'u, Matt Proctor, Ben May, TJ Perenara, Brad Shields, Leni Apisai and Willis Halaholo all got injured during that game, and the first three all missed the beginning of the 2016 season.
We'll see that kind of preseason games again this year. So I'm not entirely convinced that the important squad members or ABs should be excluded from playing at the Brisbane 10s due to injury risk, if they also play those preseason games.
Having sufficient rest after a long Super and AB season is more convincing, but it also depends on the workload of players during that season, which varies from player to player.
I'll be glued to my tv screen that weekend; I think it's an excellent format, the only thing new being SR teams playing a 10s tournamend (10s in itself is nothing new). Only the timing is a bit off, but when actually would be a good time? In any other year, that could be the June break and teams would then be playing without their ABs, too. This year is just different due to the Lions tour. But of course, June is also different from a weather perspective. I've no idea what Brissy June weather is like ...
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I'm all for keeping players injury free. But tell me, how much bigger is the injury risk of playing at the Brisbane 10s than preseason games on farm land or bad, rural rugby grounds?
I don't know if any of you watched the preseason game between the Highlanders and Crusaders in Waimumu (Gore) last year, but the condition of that field was horrendous, partially because of the wet weather. Several players got injured during that game (I remember Marty McKenzie being side-lined for weeks after that game).
The injury count after the preseason game between the Canes and Blues in Eketahuna was also terrible, except that here the ground was hard and dry due to the hot weather. Motu Matu'u, Matt Proctor, Ben May, TJ Perenara, Brad Shields, Leni Apisai and Willis Halaholo all got injured during that game, and the first three all missed the beginning of the 2016 season.
We'll see that kind of preseason games again this year. So I'm not entirely convinced that the important squad members or ABs should be excluded from playing at the Brisbane 10s due to injury risk, if they also play those preseason games.
Having sufficient rest after a long Super and AB season is more convincing, but it also depends on the workload of players during that season, which varies from player to player.
I'll be glued to my tv screen that weekend; I think it's an excellent format, the only thing new being SR teams playing a 10s tournamend (10s in itself is nothing new). Only the timing is a bit off, but when actually would be a good time? In any other year, that could be the June break and teams would then be playing without their ABs, too. This year is just different due to the Lions tour. But of course, June is also different from a weather perspective. I've no idea what Brissy June weather is like ...
@Stargazer many of the frontline players don't play pre-season anyway, and again comes down to the individual player and franchise about how that pans out.
Pre-season matches more often include players from WTG or Dev sides as well.
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The most poignant remark there, Stargazer, is that this year is different due to the Lions tour. It's only just over four months away; not the time to be packing the All Blacks off to a high-pace pre-sets exhibition tournament on a rock hard ground in 30+ degree temperatures, while cutting into their designated rest period. Even if the tournament wasn't on, I'd much rather they played a pre-season game in Gore or Motueka with an expanded bench and 20 minute quarters than in Brisbane.
As for Marty McKenzie getting injured last year - that was carefully orchestrated by a group of concerned Crusaders supporters.
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Stargazer, you are the ultimate rugby nerd, you would watch an U11s B-grade game if it was on TV.
If i can find a spare half hour over the weekend I'll probably have a look, but there is no way i am structuring time around it.
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@Stargazer many of the frontline players don't play pre-season anyway, and again comes down to the individual player and franchise about how that pans out.
Pre-season matches more often include players from WTG or Dev sides as well.
@taniwharugby said in Brisbane Global 10s:
@Stargazer many of the frontline players don't play pre-season anyway, and again comes down to the individual player and franchise about how that pans out.
Pre-season matches more often include players from WTG or Dev sides as well.
Yes, definitely more WTG/Dev players, but still plenty of ABs and frontline players. For example, these were the teams for that Farmlands Cup game:
Highlanders: Brendon Edmonds, Liam Coltman, Siosiua Halanukonuka, Mark Reddish, Tom Franklin, Gareth Evans, James Lentjes, Luke Whitelock (c), Josh Renton, Marty Banks, Patrick Osborne, Teihorangi Walden, Malakai Fekitoa, Waisake Naholo, Matt Faddes
Reserves: Ash Dixon, Daniel Lienert-Brown, Ross Geldenhuys, Joe Wheeler, Sio Tomkinson, Aaron Smith, Liam Squire, Jason Emery, Ryan Tongia, Lima Sopoaga, Elliot Dixon, Shane Christie, Jackson HemopoCrusaders: David Havili, George Bridge, Sean Wainui, Kieron Fonotia, Sione Fifita, Richie Mo'unga, Andy Ellis, Jordan Taufua, Tim Boys, Jimmy Tupou, Sam Whitelock (c), Scott Barrett, Mike Alaalatoa, Codie Taylor, Joe Moody.
Reserves: Ged Robinson, Wyatt Crockett, Oli Jager, Luke Romano, Mitchell Dunshea, Reed Prinsep, Leon Fukofuka, Ben Volavola, Marty McKenzie, Jone Macilai, Mitchell Hunt, Nemani Nadolo.And these were the teams for the Eketahuna game:
Hurricanes: Nehe Milner-Skudder, Cory Jane, Matt Proctor, Ngani Laumape, Julian Savea, Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara (c), Victor Vito, Callum Gibbins, Brad Shields, Mark Abbott, Blade Thomson, Jeff Toomaga-Allen, Motu Matu'u, Reggie Goodes.
Reserves: Leni Apisai, Chris Eves, Ben May, Hisa Sasagi, Loni Uhila, James Blackwell, Vaea Fifita, Tony Lamborn, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Otere Black, James Marshall, Pita Ahki, Willis Halaholo, Jason Woodward, Wes Goosen, Malo TuitamaBlues: Matt Duffie, Melani Nanai, Rene Ranger, George Moala, Matt Vaega, Matt McGahan, Billy Guyton, Steven Luatua, Jack Ram, Jerome Kaino (c), Hoani Matenga, Scott Scrafton, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Quentin MacDonald, Namatahi Waa. Reserves: James Parsons, Nic Mayhew, Sione Mafileo, Patrick Tuipulotu, Matt Matich, Bryn Hall, Ihaia West, Male Sa'u, Charlie Faumuina, Josh Bekhuis, Blake Gibson, Joe Edwards, Tevita Li, Michael Little, Lolagi Visinia
@mariner4life said in Brisbane Global 10s:
Stargazer, you are the ultimate rugby nerd, you would watch an U11s B-grade game if it was on TV.
If i can find a spare half hour over the weekend I'll probably have a look, but there is no way i am structuring time around it.
Ha, correct, although I'd only watch those U11s Bs if it was an Hawke's Bay team.
Mrs SG being a rugby nerd as well certainly helps. And doing other stuff while watching rugby on tv. -
@taniwharugby said in Brisbane Global 10s:
@Stargazer many of the frontline players don't play pre-season anyway, and again comes down to the individual player and franchise about how that pans out.
Pre-season matches more often include players from WTG or Dev sides as well.
Yes, definitely more WTG/Dev players, but still plenty of ABs and frontline players. For example, these were the teams for that Farmlands Cup game:
Highlanders: Brendon Edmonds, Liam Coltman, Siosiua Halanukonuka, Mark Reddish, Tom Franklin, Gareth Evans, James Lentjes, Luke Whitelock (c), Josh Renton, Marty Banks, Patrick Osborne, Teihorangi Walden, Malakai Fekitoa, Waisake Naholo, Matt Faddes
Reserves: Ash Dixon, Daniel Lienert-Brown, Ross Geldenhuys, Joe Wheeler, Sio Tomkinson, Aaron Smith, Liam Squire, Jason Emery, Ryan Tongia, Lima Sopoaga, Elliot Dixon, Shane Christie, Jackson HemopoCrusaders: David Havili, George Bridge, Sean Wainui, Kieron Fonotia, Sione Fifita, Richie Mo'unga, Andy Ellis, Jordan Taufua, Tim Boys, Jimmy Tupou, Sam Whitelock (c), Scott Barrett, Mike Alaalatoa, Codie Taylor, Joe Moody.
Reserves: Ged Robinson, Wyatt Crockett, Oli Jager, Luke Romano, Mitchell Dunshea, Reed Prinsep, Leon Fukofuka, Ben Volavola, Marty McKenzie, Jone Macilai, Mitchell Hunt, Nemani Nadolo.And these were the teams for the Eketahuna game:
Hurricanes: Nehe Milner-Skudder, Cory Jane, Matt Proctor, Ngani Laumape, Julian Savea, Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara (c), Victor Vito, Callum Gibbins, Brad Shields, Mark Abbott, Blade Thomson, Jeff Toomaga-Allen, Motu Matu'u, Reggie Goodes.
Reserves: Leni Apisai, Chris Eves, Ben May, Hisa Sasagi, Loni Uhila, James Blackwell, Vaea Fifita, Tony Lamborn, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Otere Black, James Marshall, Pita Ahki, Willis Halaholo, Jason Woodward, Wes Goosen, Malo TuitamaBlues: Matt Duffie, Melani Nanai, Rene Ranger, George Moala, Matt Vaega, Matt McGahan, Billy Guyton, Steven Luatua, Jack Ram, Jerome Kaino (c), Hoani Matenga, Scott Scrafton, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Quentin MacDonald, Namatahi Waa. Reserves: James Parsons, Nic Mayhew, Sione Mafileo, Patrick Tuipulotu, Matt Matich, Bryn Hall, Ihaia West, Male Sa'u, Charlie Faumuina, Josh Bekhuis, Blake Gibson, Joe Edwards, Tevita Li, Michael Little, Lolagi Visinia
@mariner4life said in Brisbane Global 10s:
Stargazer, you are the ultimate rugby nerd, you would watch an U11s B-grade game if it was on TV.
If i can find a spare half hour over the weekend I'll probably have a look, but there is no way i am structuring time around it.
Ha, correct, although I'd only watch those U11s Bs if it was an Hawke's Bay team.
Mrs SG being a rugby nerd as well certainly helps. And doing other stuff while watching rugby on tv.@Stargazer as Shark alludes to in the next post, how much time do these guys all get too?
Yes it would be great if we could have the best players on show, but at the end of the day, I'd rather they were on show when it matters.
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So it's a home thing for the Reds, but Quade is allowed to skip because he's boxing. And they are playing Chris Latham.
And they are playing a trial against the Rebels 2 days later, so there will be heavy rotation.
How many different ways can you say "sideshow"?
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So it's a home thing for the Reds, but Quade is allowed to skip because he's boxing. And they are playing Chris Latham.
And they are playing a trial against the Rebels 2 days later, so there will be heavy rotation.
How many different ways can you say "sideshow"?
@mariner4life said in Brisbane Global 10s:
So it's a home thing for the Reds, but Quade is allowed to skip because he's boxing. And they are playing Chris Latham.
And they are playing a trial against the Rebels 2 days later, so there will be heavy rotation.
How many different ways can you say "sideshow"?
Leaves little room for the organisers to complain about no ABs when this is happening.
Fact is that is really is a circus and being outside of any official program will just get what comes. If they wanted to pay 'stars' to promote it without locking them in to play that is their problem. -
From the Herald
Only three All Blacks who were on the end-of-year tour to the Northern Hemisphere will be released to play in the Brisbane Global 10s rugby tournament next month.
They will not include two-time World Cup winner Jerome Kaino,
experienced outside utility back Israel Dagg or up and coming Damian McKenzie.New Zealand Rugby has been mute since the Herald revealed All Blacks stars will be at a premium in terms of involvement in the inaugural tournament on February 11 and 12.
There was no further comment yesterday, but the Weekend Herald understands the union is intending to give the all-clear for Blues loose forward Steven Luatua, Highlanders hooker Liam Coltman, Hurricanes lock Vaea Fifita and Crusader Seta Tamanivalu.
All toured with the All Blacks in November last year but had limited game time with Fifita not even getting on the field.
Jordie Barrett, younger brother of Beauden and the "apprentice" on the northern tour with the All Blacks, has also been released to play in the tournament.
Nehe Milner-Skudder will make his return to rugby alongside Fifita and Jordie Barrett.
Lock Luke Romano, absent along with the injured Milner-Skudder from the northern tour, is also set to play for the Crusaders.
Those players who toured with the All Blacks have been subject to a 12-week stand-down from all rugby which cast their involvement in the Brisbane event into serious doubt.
Kaino, Dagg and McKenzie have been used extensively in promotions by the tournament organisers, Duco Events, but now will not play.
It's understood the trio may travel to Brisbane as tournament "ambassadors" but won't play.
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So it's a home thing for the Reds, but Quade is allowed to skip because he's boxing. And they are playing Chris Latham.
And they are playing a trial against the Rebels 2 days later, so there will be heavy rotation.
How many different ways can you say "sideshow"?
@mariner4life said in Brisbane Global 10s:
So it's a home thing for the Reds, but Quade is allowed to skip because he's boxing. And they are playing Chris Latham.
And they are playing a trial against the Rebels 2 days later, so there will be heavy rotation.
How many different ways can you say "sideshow"?
This! At least the NRL gets behind the 9's. I actually think 10's itself will be interesting to watch. Can't see the tournament being a success however.
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Waratahs to debut an exciting new talent. Some Fijian bloke called Lote Tuqiri...
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The Crusaders ain't even bothering to send Richie Mo'unga such is the prestige of this new event...
BNZ CRUSADERS SQUAD FOR THE BRISBANE GLOBAL RUGBY TENS:
Backs---------------------Forwards
Bryn Hall----------------Ben Funnell
Leon Fukofuka-------Andrew Makalio
Mitchell Hunt ---------Tim Perry
Digby Ioane-----------Chris Gawler
George Bridge-------Michael Alaalatoa
Sione Fifita-----------Oliver Jager
David Havili----------Mitchell Dunshea
Tim Bateman-------Quinten Strange
Jack Goodhue------Pete Samu
Seta Tamanivalu--Jordan Taufua
Manasa Mataele--Jed Brown
Sean Wainui---------Whetu Douglas
Marty McKenzie -
The Crusaders ain't even bothering to send Richie Mo'unga such is the prestige of this new event...
BNZ CRUSADERS SQUAD FOR THE BRISBANE GLOBAL RUGBY TENS:
Backs---------------------Forwards
Bryn Hall----------------Ben Funnell
Leon Fukofuka-------Andrew Makalio
Mitchell Hunt ---------Tim Perry
Digby Ioane-----------Chris Gawler
George Bridge-------Michael Alaalatoa
Sione Fifita-----------Oliver Jager
David Havili----------Mitchell Dunshea
Tim Bateman-------Quinten Strange
Jack Goodhue------Pete Samu
Seta Tamanivalu--Jordan Taufua
Manasa Mataele--Jed Brown
Sean Wainui---------Whetu Douglas
Marty McKenzie
