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It will be a longer grind if we sack everyone. We did that not long ago. Doing it again won't really solve much except the question "do we have any coaches left?" to which the answer is "nup"</p></blockquote>
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But doc why would I get surgery for my ACL tear? I won't be able to play for a year? Better to just hobble around like this and never recover.<br><br>
It won't solve anything if you select a poor coach again - correct. You ran McKensie off who is the only Austrralian I'd be interested in having on a panel outside of Jones.<br><br>
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<p>Link pretty much ran himself off. There was a lot of shit going on in the background, particularly with regards to the staffer he was "allegedly" involved with. His man-management skills were also talked about with little praise in dark corridors, and not just in NSW.</p>
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<p>Link pretty much ran himself off. There was a lot of shit going on in the background, particularly with regards to the staffer he was "allegedly" involved with. His man-management skills were also talked about with little praise in dark corridors, and not just in NSW.</p>
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<p>I realise you don't rate Cheika, so now if we're talking overseas coaches - what's your plan?</p>
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<p>I haven't been following Oz rugby closely for a while but do you reckon this really is the best team you've got? Are the Super players so bad that Cheika has no choice but to get these mercs back using the Giteau rule? If the cupboard is bare then the ARU have to take a long look at themselves and fix things from the lower levels up. They could start by not spending shitloads on league converts and using the money to develop youth</p> -
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Sadly moving cars are quite difficult to find in Sydney traffic.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Spoken like a true Queenslander. You and Mariner will be sharing a sister (in more ways than one) in no time ;)</p>
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<p>I haven't been following Oz rugby closely for a while but do you reckon this really is the best team you've got? Are the Super players so bad that Cheika has no choice but to get these mercs back using the Giteau rule? If the cupboard is bare then the ARU have to take a long look at themselves and fix things from the lower levels up. They could start by not spending shitloads on league converts and using the money to develop youth</p>
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<p>These players are about where its at, short of throwing in a stack of rookies to get eaten alive. Cheika has already capped 7 newbies this year alone. Partly, that was forced by three injuries in one position. Partly bringing on a couple of new people. </p>
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<p>So the development pathway (as I've said elsewhere, at length) is too narrow. Recruiting and retention being difficult in a landscape where we don't rule the roost. And the debacle that was Richard Graham knocked the Reds for six, along with Foley's continuing fuckups at the Western Force.</p>
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<p>There are quite a few players overseas who never got to pull on gold, making shitloads of money and having great life experiences they couldn't get here. Some left out of frustration, in part because incumbents were in the way and waiting for an opportunity could finish their careers. </p>
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<p>New pathways are being built but they won't deliver for another 5 years at least, and are no guarantee of doing so anyway. Unless the NRC gets a bigger shot at being a true tier of our rugby, we'll just meander around at this level except for the odd talented group coming together. Even better if it coincides with an unlikely AB slump.</p> -
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Spoken like a true Queenslander. You and Mariner will be sharing a sister (in more ways than one) in no time ;)<br>
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That's why you sick bastards are moving here in record numbers. You want some of that action. You must be bitterly disappointed when you realise it's all in your depraved cockroach minds. -
Look, let's just agree that we're bloody lucky we don't live in South Australia and leave it at that.
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<p>Its not BAD publicity because such a thing doesn't exist.</p>
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<p>Look, let's just agree that we're bloody lucky we don't live in South Australia and leave it at that.</p>
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Nick Willis? Smiley thing<br><br>
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<p>These players are about where its at, short of throwing in a stack of rookies to get eaten alive. Cheika has already capped 7 newbies this year alone. Partly, that was forced by three injuries in one position. Partly bringing on a couple of new people. </p>
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<p>this is not a dig, but I think we have capped 5 new players (Dixon, Squire, ALB, Tamanivalu, Ofa) this year, which in itself is a testament to the forward planning of the ABs given they lost 6 long term ABs last year. Plus there have been others involved in the periphery of the AB sides for the past few years just to see what they need to do to get up to the level/</p>
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<p>Granted Aus don't have that luxury, but this is what the likes of Giteau, AAC, Mitchell et al need to be in Aus for, to show the newbies the ropes, give them something to aspire to, shows them the levels they need to be at, but for now, they are taking their spot too, which is obviously a double edged sword in that they are blocking a spot of a youngster, but then there aren't really the youngsters to step in, or to get the opportunity.</p> -
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<p>this is not a dig, but I think we have capped 5 new players (Dixon, Squire, ALB, Tamanivalu, Ofa) this year, which in itself is a testament to the forward planning of the ABs given they lost 6 long term ABs last year. Plus there have been others involved in the periphery of the AB sides for the past few years just to see what they need to do to get up to the level/</p>
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<p>We've capped 7 too.</p>
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<p>I knew I was forgetting someone, canes fans will have me hung for forgetting Ardie!</p>
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this is not a dig, but I think we have capped 5 new players (Dixon, Squire, ALB, Tamanivalu, Ofa) this year, which in itself is a testament to the forward planning of the ABs given they lost 6 long term ABs last year. Plus there have been others involved in the periphery of the AB sides for the past few years just to see what they need to do to get up to the level/<br><br>
Granted Aus don't have that luxury, but this is what the likes of Giteau, AAC, Mitchell et al need to be in Aus for, to show the newbies the ropes, give them something to aspire to, shows them the levels they need to be at, but for now, they are taking their spot too, which is obviously a double edged sword in that they are blocking a spot of a youngster, but then there aren't really the youngsters to step in, or to get the opportunity.</p></blockquote>None of the returnees look fit enough. Obviously now Giteau is broken. Mitchell hasn't even played. AAC is invisible. Kepu is pissing about off the ball, getting sucked into niggle from a fucking HALFBACK. Genia is OK but hadn't played a game all year. Cooper had bugger all game time. <br><br>
You could say Cheika shouldn't have selected any of them, that being the case. Maybe it was better to select rookies that have been playing here in Super Rugby and were up to speed.<br><br>
None of our rookies have been through a decent school system, or enough high quality domestic rugby. Clearly none of our players are as fit as their AB counterparts to start with. <br><br>
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Kane Hames and Ardie Savea also debuted this year.</p></blockquote>
Hames is a good example - despite being a latecomer at 27 (?) He had experience in a fairly tough provincial setup that taught him how to prop. Not just "hey fat kid! You're A prop now or you don't play!" -
Some strange shit may have happened on wobbles flight home? Player fainting in the plane ailes. Other people also fainting on flight.<br><br>
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<p>Hames is a good example - despite being a latecomer at 27 (?) He had experience in a fairly tough provincial setup that taught him how to prop. <strong>Not just "hey fat kid! You're A prop now or you don't play!"</strong></p>
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<p>let it go man, let it go! ;)</p>
