Probably one of the worst AB losses I have ever seen given the context.
We were in complete control. 15 mins left we're in their 22. If we score there this game becomes a blowout.
Ignore the refereeing, we completely blew the game that last 15.
Failed exists, knockons, DUMB penalties (Finau literally given multiple warnings and ignores the ref).
Dumb dumb dumb completely unnecessary loss.
And with that the rugby championship should also be gone now.
Disgusting loss.
Broken record but we genuinely don't score half these tries with Beauden. Not even talking about Dmac here but moreso how dreadful Beauden is.
@akan004 said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
What was the point of our box kicks from Ratima, when our wingers were merely going for a slow jog after them? Clarke was definitely missed today. I hope we never see Reece and Talea in black again.
I think that was maybe the worst collective AB back 3 performance I have ever seen. All useless under the high ball, barely effective in attack, constantly doing something dumb. Just horrible.
God I hate the backline..
Beauden at 10..why? He is going to kick most the ball away, and barely gets our attack going compared to Dmac.
Last game against Aussie we looked decidedly average for the first 60 minutes he was leading. His passing is just quite poor. He shuffles and the rest of the backline pays the price.
And he's 33...so what is this working towards?
Jordie/Rieko continuing their tenure as guaranteed starting midfielders. No surprise the last 5 years we have struggled on attack coincides with when we decided to stick two midfielders who either can't pass or choose not to as our starting pair.
Why are we obsessed with ATHLETES at centre? Conrad was our best center ever and all he did was spend the entire game trying to set up players outside him.
Meh..
At least our pack is trending towards World Class
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
We have no out halves of note.
We either play off 9 or need to find a gun soon.
Wont be winning a World Cup with DMAC, Beaudy or RMO
We just DOMINATED the number 1 team in the world that hasn't lost at home in near 20 matches (8 years).
How do we still have doomsdayers 
Dmac was 10x better with Roigard on and pretty much won us the game with that skip pass in the end.
I think our worst actual problem is how passive and completely choreographed our attack is.
It is so bad it is quite shocking. We have some of the most talented players on the planet (we 100% do, the deserving starters at least) and we are effectively playing with one arm tied behind our backs.
I genuinely had huge optimism for Robertson because I had always thought he was an innovative and thoughtful analyst of the game who could understand these patterns, and how possession matters.
But we genuinely play as if we are taking possession for granted. Just useless nothing one off runners, you can see the players are not playing what's in front of them but are actually falling to the ground pre-tackle to set up the next phase in their 'plan'. The embarrassing 'pod' system, having some of the worst handlers in the team (like Scott Barrett) handle the ball every time we are hot on attack and looking to go wide? REALLY?!
And as for heads up play, Roigard is our best player because he's one of the very few who actually still plays heads up. He actually plays what's in front of him and is therefore extremely unpredictable.
Also hilarious that Fainganuku has been one of the more impressive players on attack because he also is playing heads up rugby and thinking on the spot. The rest of our team doesn't do that. So so so predictable and easy to defend.
And when your attack is that pedestrian, the opposing team gets more opportunities to attack you back. So I'm not surprised at all to see us concede more than in previous years and struggle with cards (teams are primarily carded when under defensive pressure).
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
Quote from the article.
“You cannot replace Test experience – that’s one thing I’ve learned. Hence why Sam Cane has been so valuable. That’s the consistency that South Africa have at the moment."
This is BS. No wonder he's been picking complete has beens all year.
Experience is not fungible/equal.
A lot of the old heads in this group have had a decade of being losers, breaking records for losing, and just in general being inferior. They have BAD experience.
No surprise our best players all year have been debutants who have taken it directly to teams that have been dominating us recently.
Or 2004 where we transformed the team in ONE EOYT by leaving behind Spencer/Marshall and a bunch of experienced MUST HAVE players.
And the next gen took over and dominated the world.
We are on the cusp of that here but apparently Razor is scared to pull the switch.
Don't forget our best player in Sititi this year may have only had 80 minutes of game time all year if it wasn't for that Blackadder injury.
Or seeing Aumua step up when he had no CHOICE after Taylors early injury, and he performed and became a monster this tour, after finally being given a full game instead of a BS garbage time 15 minutes at the end.
We have a bunch of toxic nepotism picks who have been losers for near a DECADE holding us up with our next generation just waiting in the stands until they get they their chance.
Beauden/Rieko/Jordie are immediate examples.
Scott Barret/Reece, possibly Ardie are more.
More than half the team currently literally aren't the best in NZ.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
I am trying to work out what's gone so wrong with our backline.
These are my guesses.
Aging players are kept in the squad when once upon a time two bad performances would have led to the selectors hitting the ejector seat button.
Some of our backs ain't fast enough.
Our backs ain't spending enough time together on the training paddock working on combinations, attacking angles and the timing of passes.
I'd welcome other suggestions.
Our backline attack has completely stagnated since having BB at 10.
I may seem obsessed with this notion since it's all I've posted recently..but it's infuriating to see something eventuate that seemed so obvious from the outside.
Beauden has never looked good against the rush. He has a horrible passing game, he doesn't run flat to draw in defenders and free the outside backs. He telegraphs his passes and shovels it on, it's just trash. And our attack greatly suffers.
Amazing how we were consistently getting around rush defense with Dmac at 10 (someone with an actual passing game), and it's suddenly disappeared again with BB back.
I'm just in disbelief he is still getting picked to start at 10.
Honestly he must be the most charming person on the planet off the field to keep getting picked.
People are talking nonsense here if they think there's no difference to the Foster era from tonights game.
Also the blatant disregard of the quality of the English team, this is a really good England team who beat Ireland 2 games ago and were about to beat France in France if not for a penalty right on full time.
To beat them first up with a brand new coaching setup and all the noise that would have come with it is extremely impressive.
I'm also amazed at some people here genuinely asking for Plummer over Dmac.
@Yeahtheboys said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fozzie never lost a Rugby Championship
Foster only had ONE actual full RC with home and away.
2020 - no SA
2021 - no away games to SA or ARG because of COVID
2022 - the only proper RC, we had two games in SA and the 2nd test win was the decider for the entire RC, a wins a win but that match was an anomaly, the players going all out in a freak match knowing full and well that a loss would mean their coach being Sacked
2023 - shortened RC, only 3 games, and 2 of them against SA/AUS we were at home.
Razor with the current team wins each one of these.
The Foster revisionism is truly amazing.
You actually have to watch the games back from before Schmidt and Ryan joined to appreciate how truly bad our rugby was.
I remember feeling HOPELESS against even Argentina we were that bad.
Every loss this year we have legitimately been in a good position and thrown it away, It's a completely different context to the lows of the Foster era where we never looked like winning ANY game.
Once again we haven't scored since around the 40th minute.
I remember when this happened in South Africa people claimed it was just the amazing powers of the bomb squad.
Turns out its an US problem.
We win that game with Dmac starting, would have been up by 30 first half when we had the momentum. Fukn dumb selections cost us the game.
And then we take off Roigard 50th min for some dumb reason.
Look at Rieko in space.
That ends any discussion of his continued spot on the team.
Reece on for Love..
So we just downgraded both our winger and fullback at the same time.
The whole chummy thing annoys me only from the aspect that the players should be devastated and embarrassed after a loss like that.
But them being good friends with opposition off the field has literally NOTHING to do with our demise.
Ridiculous revisionism here, McCaw and Carter were unanimously called the nicest players on the planet when they were playing.
What's cringe is the social media peacocking you see from the likes of Ardie, not the actual real life friendships.
Ffs if we seriously waste any time on that issue as our go to fix for our current troubles instead of the very real problems we have on the field, we will literally drop out of the top ten.
Our completely backwards and predictable attacking shape/process is 90% of our problem.
That's it, not these guys having dinner together off the field.
Dmac did more in 15 than Jordie did entire game
@SammyC said in All Blacks 2025:
MacKenzie is so overrated on here, he's a liability in big games and was fucking awful on the weekend.
'Liability in big games...', like against Ireland last year?
When he led us to our first win in Dublin in nearly a decade? Against the number 1 team in the world?
Or when he came off the bench and led us to a win against England at Twickenham?
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
DMac shades BB at 10.
Must stick with DMac on EOYT.I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
Our backline has looked the best it has all year the last 2 games.
The first games all year we haven't had Beauden at 10.
Dmac wasn't amazing tonight but it's night and day the performance we get out of our backs when he is playing as opposed to Beauden.
It was pissing down with rain and Jordie was running off his shoulder like a league player against an increasingly dysfunctional Australian defence. The northern teams would eat DMac alive at 10.
Why would they?? He literally destroyed them last EOYT.
Dmac is 5-0 against Ireland/France/England starting at 10.
Honestly..the Barretts have done some of the most damage in rugby history to the All Blacks legacy.
It's quite astounding. Wolf in sheep's clothing etc..
Beauden looked like one of the most amazing players we had ever seen in 2016/17.
And then the rot begins, purely because of Beaudens freakish year the Barrett Family hype and public psychosis begins. Jordie is introduced..and is talented but somehow thrust into a Lions deciding 3rd test having no international experience. Very much a decision made from Hansen's ego, like a long shot that he can take credit for, not thinking of the risks involved, but he was desperate to have the 'brothers' standing next to each other in the anthems, 'no way it's never been done!!'.
Since then, our attack has primarily been centered around Beauden/Jordie orchestrating EVERYTHING. This coincides with 5-7 years of some of the worst attacking rugby we have ever produced.
Beauden is a complete fraud as a 10, wouldn't actually make an NPC team if you covered him head to toe and judged him purely on playing ability as opposed to his name and brand.
Jordie is a more complex case, he's actually a great player in many ways..but as an orchestrator of an attack, is actually extremely poor. Both him and his brother have horrible passing games.
It was quite depressing to see the contrast with how easily and quickly Tupaea was able to get the ball to our outsides in this game with his passing game.
And then Scott's captaincy...let alone the fact that he isn't in the top 3 locks in the squad yet is GUARANTEED a start because he was made captain.
But the suits and marketing team at NZRU seem desperate to have a trio of brothers in the team,
..'can you believe they're all brothers btw!! Isn't that crazy?! 3 brothers in the same team? They must have a telepathic sense of what each is thinking no doubt..'
'Yeap, it should be illegal for any team to have multiple Barretts! ROFL'
The day we don't have a single Barrett in the team is when we have finally started to heal from one of our worst ever eras.
Dmacs had a great game tbh. Pretty much easily better than every Beauden game.
And did this playing with Ratima.
Depressingly predictable.