The Silver Fern

At least we have optimal bench impact with ALB there. Will have England quivering in fright when his pace, creativity and X factor are injected into the game.

That backline looks as mediocre as an Italian WW2 infantry division. Having said that, such is the retardation of the present batch they will probably win handily. Sadly I don't really give a shit either way. And to think I used to break into a cold sweat if we beat Japan by 100 points but let in one try.

Apologies if this has been raised, but would Hansen have ever become AB coach without his connections to Henry? Was he good enough to get there on his own steam so to speak? I think it's clear that there's no farking way Foster makes AB coach if he hadn't been made an assistant years before.

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.

I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.

9. Roigard
10. Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
11. Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
12. Quinn Tuaaea
13. Reiko Ioane
14. Will Jordan
15. Jordie Barrett

reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester Faingaʻanuku

Agree with this.

Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.

100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.

Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?

At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.

I've probably said this before, but if moving BB to 15 was the price for getting him out of 10, I'd take that: he can't screw the entire backline from fullback.
He also genuinely used to be a world class fullback (shit he may even still be) - he's never been a world class 10, and his play there has deteriorated badly. TBH I think his best play historically may well have been coming off the bench, and another calm experienced guy coming on late should have been the ideal use for him I would have thought - though I don't really think that now, because he hasn't been going well under pressure lately.

So if Jordan goes to a wing and BB to fullback... Is it Clarke/Fainganuku or Carter getting dropped? None of them deserve it on performance I'd reckon?

Jordan is better than all of them so doesn't really matter IMHO. All I know is that he is wasted at 15 and we need a better 10. What's Tom Taylor up to these days

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.

I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.

9. Roigard
10. Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
11. Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
12. Quinn Tuaaea
13. Reiko Ioane
14. Will Jordan
15. Jordie Barrett

reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester Faingaʻanuku

Agree with this.

Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.

100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.

Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?

At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.

@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.

I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.

9. Roigard
10. Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
11. Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
12. Quinn Tuaaea
13. Reiko Ioane
14. Will Jordan
15. Jordie Barrett

reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester Faingaʻanuku

Agree with this.

Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.

100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

Jordie has had a hell of a game. His level of involvement is insane.

Reckon worth persisting with him at 12?

Jordie's noggin

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@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:

Had to ask if I was having my leg pulled… hope I’m not so apologies in advance if it isn’t correct. Usual contact so have no reason to believe it isn’t correct. Maybe I’m just a little surprised due to a certain name on the wing(which should bring some interesting opinions).

9. Roigard
10. Dmac
11. Faingaʻanuku
12. J. Barrett
13. Tupaea
14. L. Carter
15. Jordan

Bench
21. Ratima
22. Ioane
23. Love

Have at it!

Speaking my Love language!

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:

@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:

how to win the game and yet not change the mind of your fans.

You can’t say we’ve really got on top of any of the three RC teams. SA was a real reality dose, and tonight feels a bit lucky too. Not great.

Razors wins are all by a fag papers width.

We have been blessed to have won some of these games.

Bit harsh with that description of the Herald

@bayimports said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:

Can’t help but think the strategic injury of BB came at the right time

When we immediately shipped 14 points?

Christ this game has been like scoring with an ugly chick.

@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:

Roigard should be captain.
He sets the standards, the others follow.

He has enough of a burden to carry without having to make decisions for these donkeys as well. But yes, one day I would like to see him in charge. Pure class.

That'll do pig that'll do

That looked ok to me.

Love that play. Long pass by DMac to Ardie on the wing covered by 25 Wallabies. Brilliance.

Does Guido have xray vision?

@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:

@bayimports said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:

Seriously how do we not see overlaps

It's bizaare. Perhaps Masaga is our passing coach?

You prick! Drink spray everywhere!

@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:

@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:

James O'Connor is pretty shit eh

I’d honestly have O’Connor over Beauden and Dmac

With all due respect. That is retarded.