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@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
There's no problem setting up a single sex space in the UK providing it's proportionate to achieving a legitimate goal eg Rowling funds Beira's, a single sex rape crisis centre. If it's not proportionate you can end up in court of course ...
What's the situation in Australia and NZ?
I get the feeling in Australia you need to preapply for an exemption. Not sure in New Zealand ...
Sorry, might be dumb, but don't understand a word of that. Care to explain?
I'll have a go. Whilst the equality act in the UK allows for single sex (as opposed to single gender) spaces, in Australia they have butchered the legislation such that there is no concept of sex and it has been replaced by gender, hence why Giggle and a lesbian group in Melbourne can't exclude males. Both have been to court to argue their case but have lost.
This is madness of course, but even in the UK the law is not as clear cut as it should be (hence the desire in some circles to clarify the Equality Act), and even with the ability to segregate, agencies, companies and charities have all gone too far in allowing men into women's spaces as long as they say they're a woman. Look at the other rape crisis centre in Edinburgh as an example - run by a man in a dress, allows men into those spaces as long as they say they're a woman.
The entire culture needs to change back to default excluding men from women's spaces & sports etc.
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The above also doesn't take into account how many women have missed out on even competing at competitions as they lost their spot to a male that was selected instead.
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JKR is a dead set legend
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Imane Khelif : ni ovaires ni utérus, mais des testicules …
REVELATIONS LE CORRESPONDANT. Non, Imane Khelif n’a pas été injustement accusée d’être un homme. Comme Le Correspondant s’en est fait l’écho…
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@Dodge said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Fuck the IOC and the stupid fluffybunnies who defended this
‘No beating around the bush’ from the article
Well played that man
Looking forward to the apologies, stripping of the medal, and the lawsuits.
Blind Pew could see this coming.
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@Tim said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
REVELATIONS LE CORRESPONDANT. Non, Imane Khelif n’a pas été injustement accusée d’être un homme. Comme Le Correspondant s’en est fait l’écho…
And the least surprising news of the morning ...
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Yes, a male with DSD, which is what every reputable expert like Emma Hilton were saying. There has to be consequences for the people that enabled this to happen, it's not a super complicated topic and there was no shortage of experts that were willing to help the IOC understand the issue.
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I wouldn't hold your breath, its the same issue as Semenya and they're still trying to find a way for him to compete, yes there's the added issue of a man beating up a woman in this case but other than bad PR, I don't see why the IOC would react differently
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A step in the right direction, about damn time: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/534431/puberty-blockers-ministry-of-health-releases-long-awaited-evidence-brief
I'd still love to see prosecutions down the line.
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Less enthused after skimming it...
Bugger all data supporting the use of puberty blockers, no reliable data.
So why the hell has this experiment been allowed to occur?..and with other countries now nearly outright banning it, why don't we follow suit?
https://www.health.govt.nz/publications/impact-of-puberty-blockers-in-gender-dysphoric-adolescents-an-evidence-brief -
@Rembrandt said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Less enthused after skimming it...
Bugger all data supporting the use of puberty blockers, no reliable data.
So why the hell has this experiment been allowed to occur?..and with other countries now nearly outright banning it, why don't we follow suit?
https://www.health.govt.nz/publications/impact-of-puberty-blockers-in-gender-dysphoric-adolescents-an-evidence-briefThere are stories about Minister for Mental Health Matt Doocey and his family ...
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@Rembrandt said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
So why the hell has this experiment been allowed to occur?..and with other countries now nearly outright banning it, why don't we follow suit?
In the UK it was pushed by the medical establishment. Even after an exhaustive, peer-review study came out against Puberty Blockers, the British Medial Association rejected the report calling its conclusions "unsubstantiated"
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There has been a case at the Supreme Court in London over the last two days about the definition of woman and the consequences, the world has gone mental
In one of the many highlights, alongside the Scottish Government KC suggesting she needed a flow chart to answer a question about male access to a certain space and therefore didn’t know the answer, was when the same KC suggested it would be considered discrimination were a transwoman to be denied access to a cervical smear…
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In more positive news, I was watching netball with my 12 year old daughter last night and I mentioned the winner of the bbc football bollocks, and without prompting she turned to me and said, “it’s so stupid and so unfair, I don’t care how they dress or how they behave, but boys are stronger than girls, they shouldn’t be allowed in girls sport, or in our toilets and changing rooms”
My heart sang. What a little legend
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