All Blacks vs Ireland
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
So what ?
Are you seriously trying to suggest Kriel is a better athlete than Ioane?
Well I’m certainly disputing the statement that Ioane is apparently the greatest athlete playing rugby these days. Maybe ever ?
I thought the comment actually was "He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13"
So maybe we could list the biggest, fastest, heaviest, (and most agile?) 13s currently playing the game. I doubt Rieko is the most coordinated. And I gotta say Kriel has become a pretty handy 13 (arguably Am is better at 13, but I'd really like us to have a 12 like De Allende).
And possibly this guy will return to form (at 13?) https://www.aap.com.au/news/wallaby-kerevi-prepares-to-be-best-in-the-world-again/
We've got one coming through
Max Llewelyn
Son of former Wales lock Gareth Llewelyn196cm & 105kg
Sounds like Jordie. And we are talking about 13s here!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Interesting contrast of styles between the super structured Ireland, who are kind of more than the sum of their parts, and NZ, who never seem to be as good as their talent suggests.
Guys like Aki and Lowe couldn't make the ABs but are key pieces for Ireland. I wonder if the ABs would be better if they were more structured, or would it detract from the natural ability of our players. People in NZ are super critical of guys like Reiko, DMac and Mo'unga... But in a vacuum they are probably the best athletes and/or most talented players in their positions in the world. Why don't we get the best out of them?
Reiko is 105kgs, probably the fastest player in the squad, extreme acceleration. He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13... Dmac has the most speed of any 10, an awesome skillset, maybe the best catch pass of anyone, again a much better athlete than a Pollard or Sexton... Yet neither is anywhere near as productive on the field. Why?
I’d like to see some proof of that. Kriel looks like an extreme crossfitter.
Ioane is 8kgs heavier and 5cm taller than Kriel
So what ?
Are you seriously trying to suggest Kriel is a better athlete than Ioane?
Well I’m certainly disputing the statement that Ioane is apparently the greatest athlete playing rugby these days. Maybe ever ?
I thought the comment actually was "He's a much better athlete than guys like Kriel or Slade, maybe any 13"
So maybe we could list the biggest, fastest, heaviest, (and most agile?) 13s currently playing the game. I doubt Rieko is the most coordinated. And I gotta say Kriel has become a pretty handy 13 (arguably Am is better at 13, but I'd really like us to have a 12 like De Allende).
And possibly this guy will return to form (at 13?) https://www.aap.com.au/news/wallaby-kerevi-prepares-to-be-best-in-the-world-again/
We've got one coming through
Max Llewelyn
Son of former Wales lock Gareth Llewelyn196cm & 105kg
Sounds like Jordie. And we are talking about 13s here!
He is a 13
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https://twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1853667864852770914
Did Kevin Mealamu get a couple of shots in? :thumbs_up:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
https://twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1853667864852770914
Did Kevin Mealamu get a couple of shots in? :thumbs_up:
That right there is what a straight red, no 20 minute time out is for, pure filth.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I would'nt be going near "the Sheilas" if I was trying to establish myself in a test footie career.
Lie to us, lie to your friends ... but don't lie to yourself!
My comments are tongue in cheek yes, but I never understand lads compromising themselves like this.
Plenty of time in your 30's to be knocking out chisellers if you are insane enough to bother in this day and age.
It just doesn't work like that at all. I wasn't ready for kids when I was 30, yet when I was 33 I was desperate. I've got friends that were ready at 40, and I've got cousins who had kids at 20 and none of us have any single regret with our decisons.
The only ones I know with regret, are those who were ready too late and failed to conceive.
Aside, I think you'd fine NZRU may well have a hell of a lawsuit on their hands if they discriminated against somebody due to their children.
Oh I have no issue with the NZRU at all, nor have I any issue with Billy.
Im just musing about whether the ambition to get right to the top in your field and having domestic bliss go hand in hand. I think you need to be selfish and almost sociopathically driven to get right to the top.
Be it having the odd beer, the odd ciggie or starting a family.
I told every sheila I was with that I didnt want kids from the get go. It was a non negotiable. And my career has flourished as a result, as I could say yes to every opportunity presented to me and was able to move anywhere in the world at a moments notice.
@Jet well done on a great career.
But having kids is the greatest thing I’ve ever done. I didn’t start having them until I was 33.
So I got to travel the world and play rugby. Experience different cultures.
Now watching my kids achieve things because of what I’ve taught them . That’s way better than having a career and no kids IMO.
Just my opinion and life experience. I’m sure your happy with yours -
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Getting pretty fired up about this game.
yeah interesting one, in theory, the Irish should be too strong given how consistent they are, but I think there are definite glimmers that some of the parts of this side are starting to fall in place and we could well roll out another epic performance like last year, but there wont be able to be 20 minute lapses in this one, will need to be top notch from start to finish.
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A change of tactics is needed. Kicking way hard won possession could be disastrous against an Irish team which is able to recycle the ball during many (and boring) phases all day long. But trying to throw the pill to the wings against a rush defense could be disastrous as well. Maul and pick & go (with the likes of Aumua, Sititi and Tuipolutu) could be an answer to the rush defense, as well as fixing Van der Flier in the tight.
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We're $3 outsiders at Betfair, so a great chance for those confident folk to back the ABs and make some coin!
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Really tough to get the line ups this tour so apologies for not being able to get the full accurate info like the England series and The rugby championship.
What I will say though to follow on from my post further up. I am led to believe Dmac and Perofeta will be the only changes with everyone else in the backs to remain the same. Emphasis on led to believe, but nothing else points to any changes for this test.
If anything does come through, I’ll pop it in here asap.
Go the All Blacks!
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is this really 6am Saturday morning? Qld time obviously
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is this really 6am Saturday morning? Qld time obviously
@mariner4life yeah think it is like 9am k/o here
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oh sweet
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A change of tactics is needed. Kicking way hard won possession could be disastrous against an Irish team which is able to recycle the ball during many (and boring) phases all day long. But trying to throw the pill to the wings against a rush defense could be disastrous as well. Maul and pick & go (with the likes of Aumua, Sititi and Tuipolutu) could be an answer to the rush defense, as well as fixing Van der Flier in the tight.
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
A change of tactics is needed. Kicking way hard won possession could be disastrous against an Irish team which is able to recycle the ball during many (and boring) phases all day long. But trying to throw the pill to the wings against a rush defense could be disastrous as well. Maul and pick & go (with the likes of Aumua, Sititi and Tuipolutu) could be an answer to the rush defense, as well as fixing Van der Flier in the tight.
We've barely used our maul this year and Wayne Smith hates them.
The combo of Vaa'i, Sititi, Cane and Savea means we're not set up for dominant mauling.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
A change of tactics is needed. Kicking way hard won possession could be disastrous against an Irish team which is able to recycle the ball during many (and boring) phases all day long. But trying to throw the pill to the wings against a rush defense could be disastrous as well. Maul and pick & go (with the likes of Aumua, Sititi and Tuipolutu) could be an answer to the rush defense, as well as fixing Van der Flier in the tight.
We've barely used our maul this year and Wayne Smith hates them.
The combo of Vaa'i, Sititi, Cane and Savea means we're not set up for dominant mauling.
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Exits and stiff defense around the collision areas/up fat man's ally. These are the weaknesses of the ABs and the main things to get right against Ireland. Their smoke and mirrors chaos with dummy runners up the middle needs to be absolutely smashed back into the dark ages.
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Exits and stiff defense around the collision areas/up fat man's ally. These are the weaknesses of the ABs and the main things to get right against Ireland. Their smoke and mirrors chaos with dummy runners up the middle needs to be absolutely smashed back into the dark ages.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Exits and stiff defense around the collision areas/up fat man's ally. These are the weaknesses of the ABs and the main things to get right against Ireland. Their smoke and mirrors chaos with dummy runners up the middle needs to be absolutely smashed back into the dark ages.
i think we are really vulnerable to Irelands attack here as we still seem disorganised around and just off the ruck. By the QF last year we had worked out Irelands attack and snuffed it. They have tweaked it so we'll see how we go.
I still don't think Ireland have a lot of points in them, so we are a definite chance here to hang with them and then beat them with some individual brilliance.
