All Blacks vs Ireland
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
The fact is Ireland have long been put on a completely undeserved pedestal by NZ's rugby media (and many people on here) simply because they beat Foster's shambles of a team (pre-Ryan/Schmidt) in 2021 and 2022 home series.
In reality, they're not a hugely talented side, they are full of plodders that wouldn't get anywhere near an All Black 15.
They have relied on the existing cohesion of Leinster and their streamlined and well structured high performance pathways and streamlined coaching at all levels to get to where they have - not x factor players.
France, South Africa, and even England have much more talented squads on paper. and their team composition & style of game in my opinion pose a greater threat to us than Ireland (even though they're ranked No1.)
In Summary, NZ rugby fans/media gave Ireland far too much respect in recent years and Foster is much to blame.
I'm glad we can finally bring this chapter to a close - they are overrated & always have been, especially on here.
Jeez mate, show some respect. Whether other teams have better squads/depth or not, Ireland have been a fucking good team for the last 10 years and fully deserve their no.1 ranking.
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern era prevented a loss in '14.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern error prevented a loss in '14.
GOM.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
That Lowe 50-22 had me bricking. At that point I got out of the chair. Watched the remainder standing.
Lowe was celebrating that 50-22 as if they had just won a RWC QF.
Aki was worse for the in-goal tackle on Cane - think that was what Rieko was talking to him about at full-time.
@junior said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
That Lowe 50-22 had me bricking. At that point I got out of the chair. Watched the remainder standing.
Lowe was celebrating that 50-22 as if they had just won a RWC QF.
Aki was worse for the in-goal tackle on Cane - think that was what Rieko was talking to him about at full-time.
I thought Cane was really smart with that play, he got back in the field of play and as soon as he got hit he got his knee to the ground, meaning the Irish had to release him. But the ref wasn't good enough to see it and allowed the Irish to lift him up again and push him in goal.
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Can you imagine how much flapping Flapanara would have done with the way the Irish were constantly flopping on our side of the ruck. He would have gotten airborne.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern error prevented a loss in '14.
GOM.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern error prevented a loss in '14.
GOM.
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Well watched that in a bar in Wales( apparentlyJerry Collins old regular), and loved it. That was f***en good win. Will sleep well tonight.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Well watched that in a bar in Wales( apparentlyJerry Collins old regular)
In honour of Jerry you should tackle someone on the way out...
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Frank Just imagine the score if Mehrts was playing.
That Cantab turnstile who bottled important kicks? That one?
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
That Jordan try in the corner DMac threw the cut out pass to Sititi and the ball landed on the ground in front of him. A great piece of skill to gather it and shift it on under pressure.
Likewise Aumua to take the ball off the bounce and shift to Jordan
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
That Jordan try in the corner DMac threw the cut out pass to Sititi and the ball landed on the ground in front of him. A great piece of skill to gather it and shift it on under pressure.
Likewise Aumua to take the ball off the bounce and shift to Jordan
That was better skill
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I can’t be bothered scrolling up the thread, but can anyone confirm if @Jet is now 9 months away from being dad to a future Ireland prop?
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I can’t be bothered scrolling up the thread, but can anyone confirm if @Jet is now 9 months away from being dad to a future Ireland prop?
You dont get pregnant the way I do it.
I actually did mange to get some lip action from a local lass and I will not deign to make contact with her henceforth as advertised.
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Some interesting little stats from Rugby Pass -
13 months ago when the teams last clashed the Irish ‘won’ 14-3 in the 20-minute period in which the All Blacks were down two players to yellow cards in Paris but they were decisively ‘beaten’ 10-25 in the hour when the contest was 15 versus 15.
Friday night was another occasion when the Irish simply couldn’t handle New Zealand when the numbers in personnel were the same. Ireland ‘won’ 10-3 the 10 minutes that Jordie Barrett spent in the sin bin following his foul play ‘hello’ to Garry Ringrose, his soon-to-be teammate at Leinster.
However, the 15 versus 15 part of the match convincingly went the way of the All Blacks on a 20-3 scoreline. That’s quite the jarring margin and a proper reflection of the gap that existed between the teams in terms of performance.
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Some interesting little stats from Rugby Pass -
13 months ago when the teams last clashed the Irish ‘won’ 14-3 in the 20-minute period in which the All Blacks were down two players to yellow cards in Paris but they were decisively ‘beaten’ 10-25 in the hour when the contest was 15 versus 15.
Friday night was another occasion when the Irish simply couldn’t handle New Zealand when the numbers in personnel were the same. Ireland ‘won’ 10-3 the 10 minutes that Jordie Barrett spent in the sin bin following his foul play ‘hello’ to Garry Ringrose, his soon-to-be teammate at Leinster.
However, the 15 versus 15 part of the match convincingly went the way of the All Blacks on a 20-3 scoreline. That’s quite the jarring margin and a proper reflection of the gap that existed between the teams in terms of performance.
Excellent analysis
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I can’t be bothered scrolling up the thread, but can anyone confirm if @Jet is now 9 months away from being dad to a future Ireland prop?
You dont get pregnant the way I do it.
I actually did mange to get some lip action from a local lass and I will not deign to make contact with her henceforth as advertised.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I can’t be bothered scrolling up the thread, but can anyone confirm if @Jet is now 9 months away from being dad to a future Ireland prop?
You dont get pregnant the way I do it.
I actually did mange to get some lip action from a local lass and I will not deign to make contact with her henceforth as advertised.
Can I have your scarf then? Hope you liked my accent.
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Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I can’t be bothered scrolling up the thread, but can anyone confirm if @Jet is now 9 months away from being dad to a future Ireland prop?
You dont get pregnant the way I do it.
I actually did mange to get some lip action from a local lass and I will not deign to make contact with her henceforth as advertised.
Can I have your scarf then? Hope you liked my accent.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I can’t be bothered scrolling up the thread, but can anyone confirm if @Jet is now 9 months away from being dad to a future Ireland prop?
You dont get pregnant the way I do it.
I actually did mange to get some lip action from a local lass and I will not deign to make contact with her henceforth as advertised.
Can I have your scarf then? Hope you liked my accent.
You had a clit like a bookies pencil and your knowledge of rugby was bordering on non existent.
Keep the scarf. Your wardrobe just doubled.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Was that our best performance with our discipline? Makes a difference when we aren’t being pinged every couple of minutes with silly penalties.
I though Barrett’s penalty and YC was pretty unlucky
Yep good but both Barrett decisions were correct.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Was that our best performance with our discipline? Makes a difference when we aren’t being pinged every couple of minutes with silly penalties.
I though Barrett’s penalty and YC was pretty unlucky
Yep good but both Barrett decisions were correct.
I have learned to not get annoyed at yc rulings but the first penalty was garbage.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I can’t be bothered scrolling up the thread, but can anyone confirm if @Jet is now 9 months away from being dad to a future Ireland prop?
You dont get pregnant the way I do it.
I actually did mange to get some lip action from a local lass and I will not deign to make contact with her henceforth as advertised.
Can I have your scarf then? Hope you liked my accent.
You had a clit like a bookies pencil and your knowledge of rugby was bordering on non existent.
Keep the scarf. Your wardrobe just doubled.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I can’t be bothered scrolling up the thread, but can anyone confirm if @Jet is now 9 months away from being dad to a future Ireland prop?
You dont get pregnant the way I do it.
I actually did mange to get some lip action from a local lass and I will not deign to make contact with her henceforth as advertised.
Can I have your scarf then? Hope you liked my accent.
You had a clit like a bookies pencil and your knowledge of rugby was bordering on non existent.
Keep the scarf. Your wardrobe just doubled.
I knew enough to tell you you're a shit Richie McCaw at just the right moment.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Was that our best performance with our discipline? Makes a difference when we aren’t being pinged every couple of minutes with silly penalties.
I though Barrett’s penalty and YC was pretty unlucky
Yep good but both Barrett decisions were correct.
I have learned to not get annoyed at yc rulings but the first penalty was garbage.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Was that our best performance with our discipline? Makes a difference when we aren’t being pinged every couple of minutes with silly penalties.
I though Barrett’s penalty and YC was pretty unlucky
Yep good but both Barrett decisions were correct.
I have learned to not get annoyed at yc rulings but the first penalty was garbage.
Stank of a referee predetermining pregame he was going to focus on one or two distinct aspects so forcing them instead of just reffing.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern error prevented a loss in '14.
GOM.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern error prevented a loss in '14.
GOM.
Is it pedants, pedant’s ou pedants’ club? Asking for a friend.
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By the way,did I imagine it, or was only half our Anthem played. I was in a pub here, so may have missed it, Mrs Dan said same as me.
If it was only half, I even more happy with win, you don't really f*** with anthems.@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
By the way,did I imagine it, or was only half our Anthem played. I was in a pub here, so may have missed it, Mrs Dan said same as me.
If it was only half, I even more happy with win, you don't really f*** with anthems.It was just the instrumental so I assume not much point in playing it twice? I'd assume AB management was informed of the order and manner of proceedings so can't really get too hot and bothered about.
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Great win I thought, where strangely enough, I feel like the conditions suited us more, as it really stunted Ireland's ability to use the ball. Have to agree with people criticising Nic Berry. He was awful, and Ireland used it to their advantage, having said that, Ratima got away with a blatant strip on the ground on Aki so bad calls were going both ways.
How good was Aumua? He was probably my man of the match, closely followed by Sititi. Man he was into everything. Carried strongly, smashed players, and won a couple of turnovers too. Is he a better starter (not suggesting he starts every test)? Sititi was strong as usual. His carries get us out of trouble a lot, he really uses his shoulders well before going into contact with ball in hand as you see defenders get bumped off constantly by him and his work on defence too. Wins a lot of ball back.
The side we're putting out currently is a lot stronger than what we had previously been putting out earlier in the season too, especially the bench, and funnily enough, injury has been the cause of a fair few changes. It's gone from looking extremely bland with journeymen to actually looking like a strength all of a sudden.
7 is probably the only wide open spot right now once Cane leaves. I'd love to see Lakai get given a go. Obviously Ardie will always be 8 regardless of how good or bad he's going, but I think Finau, Lakai and Sititi is the future. Would love to see it one day.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Great win I thought, where strangely enough, I feel like the conditions suited us more, as it really stunted Ireland's ability to use the ball. Have to agree with people criticising Nic Berry. He was awful, and Ireland used it to their advantage, having said that, Ratima got away with a blatant strip on the ground on Aki so bad calls were going both ways.
How good was Aumua? He was probably my man of the match, closely followed by Sititi. Man he was into everything. Carried strongly, smashed players, and won a couple of turnovers too. Is he a better starter (not suggesting he starts every test)? Sititi was strong as usual. His carries get us out of trouble a lot, he really uses his shoulders well before going into contact with ball in hand as you see defenders get bumped off constantly by him and his work on defence too. Wins a lot of ball back.
The side we're putting out currently is a lot stronger than what we had previously been putting out earlier in the season too, especially the bench, and funnily enough, injury has been the cause of a fair few changes. It's gone from looking extremely bland with journeymen to actually looking like a strength all of a sudden.
7 is probably the only wide open spot right now once Cane leaves. I'd love to see Lakai get given a go. Obviously Ardie will always be 8 regardless of how good or bad he's going, but I think Finau, Lakai and Sititi is the future. Would love to see it one day.
NB was allowing Ireland to push around the ruck which starved Rat of clean ball. When it became obvious he wasn't going to PK Ireland we needed to get two more blokes in there cleaning up. The rucks were mostly better for CamRoi.
