All Blacks v France
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We're amazing at attacking everywhere from the field, until we get to 10 metres out from the tryline.
Seem to be able to get to the opposition tryline with EASE which has been the massive improvement for us since the Foster era.But once we get there we seem to NEVER be able to convert possession there into a Try.
We should have been up by 20 in the first half (I still believe with Dmac we would have been so am still fuming about that selection decision..).
Robertson needs to work on that during the off season to get this team humming.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v France:
We're amazing at attacking everywhere from the field, until we get to 10 metres out from the tryline.
Seem to be able to get to the opposition tryline with EASE which has been the massive improvement for us since the Foster era.But once we get there we seem to NEVER be able to convert possession there into a Try.
We should have been up by 20 in the first half (I still believe with Dmac we would have been so am still fuming about that selection decision..).
Robertson needs to work on that during the off season to get this team humming.
Good post. I think we get there and try the low percentage miracle.
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For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
And the killer French try was Vai'i triying to be too clever, hold that ball and we win
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
And the killer French try was Vai'i triying to be too clever, hold that ball and we win
@Machpants that pass goes to hand and there is nobody home IIRC. Small margins.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France:
Wallace Sititi and Tupou Vaii have been the players of the season. Tamati Williams and Asafa Aumua have taken strides forward. Caleb Clarke and Tyrell Lomax have gone okay.
But apart from that it doesn't feel like we are going anywhere. A rather disappointing season.
DMac has gone ok with more experience. Not just Vaa'i but also Patty T and Darry-we are now ok with locks. Lakai (does anyone want to go back to Cane, EB or Jacobson?). Tosi for bench-shaking impact, In the backs Cam R, Proctor and Love. In the future possibly Hotham as backup if Ratima doesn't work out.
Well apparently you can't lose your position to injury (so BS imo) so I guess we get to see Ethan Blackadder back in 2029 for two tests.
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France:
Wallace Sititi and Tupou Vaii have been the players of the season. Tamati Williams and Asafa Aumua have taken strides forward. Caleb Clarke and Tyrell Lomax have gone okay.
But apart from that it doesn't feel like we are going anywhere. A rather disappointing season.
DMac has gone ok with more experience. Not just Vaa'i but also Patty T and Darry-we are now ok with locks. Lakai (does anyone want to go back to Cane, EB or Jacobson?). Tosi for bench-shaking impact, In the backs Cam R, Proctor and Love. In the future possibly Hotham as backup if Ratima doesn't work out.
Well apparently you can't lose your position to injury (so BS imo) so I guess we get to see Ethan Blackadder back in 2029 for two tests.
That was under the previous coaching group certainly, but is that explicit under this one?
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France:
Wallace Sititi and Tupou Vaii have been the players of the season. Tamati Williams and Asafa Aumua have taken strides forward. Caleb Clarke and Tyrell Lomax have gone okay.
But apart from that it doesn't feel like we are going anywhere. A rather disappointing season.
DMac has gone ok with more experience. Not just Vaa'i but also Patty T and Darry-we are now ok with locks. Lakai (does anyone want to go back to Cane, EB or Jacobson?). Tosi for bench-shaking impact, In the backs Cam R, Proctor and Love. In the future possibly Hotham as backup if Ratima doesn't work out.
Well apparently you can't lose your position to injury (so BS imo) so I guess we get to see Ethan Blackadder back in 2029 for two tests.
That was under the previous coaching group certainly, but is that explicit under this one?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
12: Jordie, Lam, or Proctor I'd have before DH. Jordie is more of a weapon at 15 and can be (emergency level) back up at 10-I don't see DH's utility value.
….and if there’s an emergency after that emergency Havili can step in at 10 as well.
David should be stood down...
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
12: Jordie, Lam, or Proctor I'd have before DH. Jordie is more of a weapon at 15 and can be (emergency level) back up at 10-I don't see DH's utility value.
….and if there’s an emergency after that emergency Havili can step in at 10 as well.
David should be stood down...
Begs the question about who comes after David...
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
12: Jordie, Lam, or Proctor I'd have before DH. Jordie is more of a weapon at 15 and can be (emergency level) back up at 10-I don't see DH's utility value.
….and if there’s an emergency after that emergency Havili can step in at 10 as well.
David should be stood down...
Begs the question about who comes after David...
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
And the killer French try was Vai'i triying to be too clever, hold that ball and we win
@Machpants said in All Blacks v France:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
And the killer French try was Vai'i triying to be too clever, hold that ball and we win
Harsh take, it was a regulation offload to a fullback in acres of space and he got his arm whacked just as he was releasing it.
We had offloaded all day to good effect, I'm not whacking for it no matter how bad the result.That whack of the arm was probably a 14 point play.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
12: Jordie, Lam, or Proctor I'd have before DH. Jordie is more of a weapon at 15 and can be (emergency level) back up at 10-I don't see DH's utility value.
….and if there’s an emergency after that emergency Havili can step in at 10 as well.
David should be stood down...
Begs the question about who comes after David...
@booboo said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
12: Jordie, Lam, or Proctor I'd have before DH. Jordie is more of a weapon at 15 and can be (emergency level) back up at 10-I don't see DH's utility value.
….and if there’s an emergency after that emergency Havili can step in at 10 as well.
David should be stood down...
Begs the question about who comes after David...
Any signs?
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Lakai looked good
The game seemed to meander a bit.
Captaincy doesn't seem quite right -
Disappointing to lose that one - a bit of coulda, woulda, shoulda.
For a while, in the first half it looked like the floodgates were on the verge of opening. Unfortunately, a bit of a momentum shift and the French got on top a bit in the third quarter and we never quite headed them.
I thought too that we should and would kick that last penalty into the corner - didn't think there was enough time left on the clock to ensure we'd get another chance to win it. I wonder if taking that shot was a bit of a hangover from last week, where repeatedly taking the three led us to winning comfortably?
Rugby has definitely changed in terms of the value of taking the three. While nominally it's worth three points - it's actually worth three points minus the 50+ metres you automatically give the other team. So it's quite a low value return. And with two evenly matched teams, kicking off is almost like serving in tennis - if the receiver can get out of their territory and regain possession it's like breaking serve. But, more often the "server"is going to get points down the other end. And if they get seven then it's a poor exchange.
I guess that I usually (though not always) prefer the opposition to take the three is a warning that you should be thinking hard about when you do so.
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What was the point in subbing Roigard
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
What was the point in subbing Roigard
I reckon it was fitness. He just doesn't have the miles in the legs to play at that level yet.
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You'd have to think Reece played his last game in black today. He has had some lamentable cameos this year. Argentina test he handed them the impetus by batting a ball back to a blue shirt for a try. Today at 14-3 up he botches his kick chase assignment and the momentum shifts again with the resultant French try. In SA he gets himself carded. He also failed to stop their fullback scoring today with a fairly passive tackle, albeit we were stretched. If you are going to be a slow winger, you better have the rest of the nuts and bolts of your game on point.
Narawa or Stevenson or even Love would have done no worse on the wing today.
Rieko has loads of mongrel on D and is a cult hero for his trolling of the Irish but to my eye he coughs up a lot of ball on attack.
I wanted shot of Beauden Barrett and ALB in 2019. I thought Reece was a tugboat then too. Similarly Cane, TJP and Havili have out stayed their welcomes. Harsh on Cane , but this is the Allblacks.
I think we made the wrong choice of captain under Fozzie and I think Razor has picked the wrong captain again. In saying that, im not sure who else from the current squad could do it (Sititi jokes aside).
Jury still out on Razor for me. He has confused me at the selection table quite a bit this year.
The environment isnt as cut throat as it should be.
Not going for the corner at the end was so un-Allblack like.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
What was the point in subbing Roigard
I reckon it was fitness. He just doesn't have the miles in the legs to play at that level yet.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
What was the point in subbing Roigard
I reckon it was fitness. He just doesn't have the miles in the legs to play at that level yet.
Must be GPS data we are not privy too.
If we never had Aaron Smith, youd say Roigards passing was imperious.
I know he snipes a lot, but it adds variety and leaves them second guessing.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
What was the point in subbing Roigard
I reckon it was fitness. He just doesn't have the miles in the legs to play at that level yet.
Must be GPS data we are not privy too.
If we never had Aaron Smith, youd say Roigards passing was imperious.
I know he snipes a lot, but it adds variety and leaves them second guessing.
@Jet said in All Blacks v France:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
What was the point in subbing Roigard
I reckon it was fitness. He just doesn't have the miles in the legs to play at that level yet.
Must be GPS data we are not privy too.
If we never had Aaron Smith, youd say Roigards passing was imperious.
I know he snipes a lot, but it adds variety and leaves them second guessing.
He was so good today, wonderful first half. But after a couple of games in like 7 months no way could he play 70 minutes at halfback in a test of that pace.
Nailed on for the 9 jersey as long as he's fit now though, special player.
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Disappointing to lose that one - a bit of coulda, woulda, shoulda.
For a while, in the first half it looked like the floodgates were on the verge of opening. Unfortunately, a bit of a momentum shift and the French got on top a bit in the third quarter and we never quite headed them.
I thought too that we should and would kick that last penalty into the corner - didn't think there was enough time left on the clock to ensure we'd get another chance to win it. I wonder if taking that shot was a bit of a hangover from last week, where repeatedly taking the three led us to winning comfortably?
Rugby has definitely changed in terms of the value of taking the three. While nominally it's worth three points - it's actually worth three points minus the 50+ metres you automatically give the other team. So it's quite a low value return. And with two evenly matched teams, kicking off is almost like serving in tennis - if the receiver can get out of their territory and regain possession it's like breaking serve. But, more often the "server"is going to get points down the other end. And if they get seven then it's a poor exchange.
I guess that I usually (though not always) prefer the opposition to take the three is a warning that you should be thinking hard about when you do so.
@Chris-B It's actually even worse because it actually paid off.
After the kick, we held the ball and then Dmac got us into their 22 with his break.
We had the ball hot on attack in their 22. At best score a try, or hold the ball and win a penalty to win the game.
So we actually had done all the hard work. Make the kick, and get back into their 22 attacking.
Then Beauden/Rieko screwed it up.
Just such a DUMB loss to a team we could have beat by 20 today.
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Congrats to France.
Thought that was a cracking match as a fan, aside from the result.
The NH seem intent on over officiating rugby into the ground. Well, except of course for dummy runners taking out players. There was one play where dummy runners came through and connected with both ALB and Rieko and nothing.
I don't want to raise the hackles of the Cantabs and @Chris-B but I think @Bones is right, Jordan isn't the right fit at fullback. Maybe a finishing wing is his ceiling? Especially if he want so keep up his strike rate.
Also, Reece is out of form and in a year when Telea has copped shit over his speed then how are we picking a guy who makes a tugboat look fast. Posters on here have a meltdown if DMac even steps slightly across field yet Reece runs sideways constantly putting added pressure on our team frequently.
And not to leaves the Canes fluffers out, actually Moana now, are we happy with the not as good version of Savea we have now? Maybe a decent off season will get him back to his usual form. Conversely Roigard is actually living up to the hype of his Canes marketing team. Also Lakai put in a decent shift.
I think we overdid the successful sideline play that worked so well in the early stages of the game. There were times when there was space out wide yet we just kept turning it back inside. TBH, I think this is a NZ thing as I often notice our Super teams do it as well.
Weird that I'm not as upset as I should be with this loss.
