Italy v All Blacks
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@nostrildamus said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
This isn't exactly on the coach, because he wasn't the one kicking the ball, dropping it, failing to clear rucks etc.
Overall for the tour:
Razor picked players out of form, burnt out, or recently injured.
There were plenty of younger and fresher caps and inform players who could have been tested.
I am trying to think of a newbie found wanting at this level and all I can think of is Finau, and he still showed some glimpses.I totally agree, though the flip side of this of course, is that the newbies who have played are the cream of the crop. The forwards have been good all year, but definitely could have done with some fresh blood at 10 and 12... for whatever people think of DMac he isn't fresh blood. Could they have gone Lam? Obviously, whether he is the answer they won't know until they give them a go.
There should be plenty to play for in the Super season.
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
There should be plenty to play for in the Super season.
That's what we thought this year...
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@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
At the end of the day, this test means nothing, and regardless of what happens from here, is one nobody will remember. Lest we forget last time we played Italy in Italy, it was also a shitfest.
I think this was probably partly down to the fact a bunch of old guys didn't really fancy playing properly after a long tour in zero degrees temperatures.
This isn't exactly on the coach, because he wasn't the one kicking the ball, dropping it, failing to clear rucks etc.
Sure, if we ignore he selected and coached them.
It is not all his fault though is it.
I think this is a good lesson to Razor, that at the end of a long tour, a long season (our longest ever?) when you are about to play in zero degree temperatures, picking the old guys who can't wait to get back to their families isn't the play.
The key, and we will talk about this at length, is that Robertson learns from this season, and the evidence of his coaching career is that he will. Writing him off after a year is silly, asking for him to be sacked is silly. Let’s review things at the end of next year.
He needs to be ruthless going into next year for both players and coaching team. No more bros before hoes.
@Darth-Sader said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
At the end of the day, this test means nothing, and regardless of what happens from here, is one nobody will remember. Lest we forget last time we played Italy in Italy, it was also a shitfest.
I think this was probably partly down to the fact a bunch of old guys didn't really fancy playing properly after a long tour in zero degrees temperatures.
This isn't exactly on the coach, because he wasn't the one kicking the ball, dropping it, failing to clear rucks etc.
Sure, if we ignore he selected and coached them.
It is not all his fault though is it.
I think this is a good lesson to Razor, that at the end of a long tour, a long season (our longest ever?) when you are about to play in zero degree temperatures, picking the old guys who can't wait to get back to their families isn't the play.
The key, and we will talk about this at length, is that Robertson learns from this season, and the evidence of his coaching career is that he will. Writing him off after a year is silly, asking for him to be sacked is silly. Let’s review things at the end of next year.
He needs to be ruthless going into next year for both players and coaching team. No more bros before hoes.
Totally agree. Ball is in Robertson's court.
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Anybody know where we can get a couple of rapid, young, defensively reliable and skilled under the high ball wingers?
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Cam Roigard has outscored Rieko Ioane 7 tries to 3 since he made his debut and he was injured most of this year.
@Jet said in Italy v All Blacks:
Cam Roigard has outscored Rieko Ioane 7 tries to 3 since he made his debut and he was injured most of this year.
He was pretty poor apart from that try in fairness, but yes, he knows how to find the tryline.
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@Jet said in Italy v All Blacks:
Cam Roigard has outscored Rieko Ioane 7 tries to 3 since he made his debut and he was injured most of this year.
He was pretty poor apart from that try in fairness, but yes, he knows how to find the tryline.
@African-Monkey said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Jet said in Italy v All Blacks:
Cam Roigard has outscored Rieko Ioane 7 tries to 3 since he made his debut and he was injured most of this year.
He was pretty poor apart from that try in fairness, but yes, he knows how to find the tryline.
his pass looked slow today. Tremendous player, but man I miss Smith
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@booboo said in Italy v All Blacks:
BB's last touch in tests is a try?
I do t think so. He is the incumbent 10
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Can't believe I went through the ignominy of walking in the door of a bar named "The Kangaroo & Kiwi" to watch that shit.
@Kruse said in Italy v All Blacks:
Can't believe I went through the ignominy of walking in the door of a bar named "The Kangaroo & Kiwi" to watch that shit.
with any luck you won't remember walking out.
When a pub is called Kangaroo or Kiwi I immediately think of the warning signs when an Indian restaurant is called "Taj Mahal" - big warning sign! -
Backline not good
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The forwards are ok. The backs are still a mess. I like the way they have moved to constant 2nd man plays to change the point of attack. That combination between forwards and backs looks good - though try for France that cost us the game indicates it’s not without risk.
Not so much:
- Reiko on the crash - the ball goes to ground maybe 75% of the time?
- Midfield - would love to see our midfield do what Sititi does, stand players up, take a soft shoulder and unload to supporting player. Tactics, skill, execution….you would have to say that we offered very little here this year.
- Short kicking game - use less because most of the time it gives the ball away. Stop selecting BB at 1st as he can’t help himself.
- Wingers - Clarke offers power and aerial skill, both Telea and Reece haven’t proved as effective at international level with their elusiveness maybe not being as effective as sheer pace we have seen against us.
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Backline not good
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@BerniesCorner Reiko isn't the answer at 13, never has been. We know he offers little variation in attack, and more importantly the opposition know that too.
He's extremely limited.
@Halfback I'd have him on the wing.
