All Blacks 2024
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
Fuck no I am dead against picking overseas players.It will be the death nail of our competitions imo.
If players want to come back no problems but play in our competitions to be selected.
It sounds like Razor wants to keep Cane ffs.
Stupid idea Razor get your shit together and promote the players we have playing locally and players who return to play locally.Imagine the state of Super Rugby if it happened.
We'd be having the likes of Peter Umaga-Jensen, Dallas McLeod and Angus Ta'avao as our headline acts for the comp.
It would ruin all our competitions and probably effect revenue massively.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
Fuck no I am dead against picking overseas players.It will be the death nail of our competitions imo.
If players want to come back no problems but play in our competitions to be selected.
It sounds like Razor wants to keep Cane ffs.
Stupid idea Razor get your shit together and promote the players we have playing locally and players who return to play locally.Imagine the state of Super Rugby if it happened.
We'd be having the likes of Peter Umaga-Jensen, Dallas McLeod and Angus Ta'avao as our headline acts for the comp.
It would ruin all our competitions and probably effect revenue massively.
Yet fans on social media will applaud the decision to let overseas players play for the ABs, then moan about the lack of big names playing super rugby.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
Yeah I think it is if you read Wayne Smiths comments he has been driving this fast skill set all over the place game instead of doing some hard yards.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
Yeah I think it is if you read Wayne Smiths comments he has been driving this fast skill set all over the place game instead of doing some hard yards.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
Yeah I think it is if you read Wayne Smiths comments he has been driving this fast skill set all over the place game instead of doing some hard yards.
He's past it, like many of the players
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
Yeah I think it is if you read Wayne Smiths comments he has been driving this fast skill set all over the place game instead of doing some hard yards.
He's past it, like many of the players
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
Yeah I think it is if you read Wayne Smiths comments he has been driving this fast skill set all over the place game instead of doing some hard yards.
He's past it, like many of the players
I agree. Teams only need to mess up the breakdown for it to become ineffective.
You're relying heavily on succeeding with it by doing it off set phase.
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i think it is hilarious that DMac made the team of the year (not a decision i would have made but that's not the point) but our genius coaching group dropped him to the bench for an absolute spud who, all year, has made the team worse.
BB is basically living off burning an English prop in the first test of the year (go look who threw the pass to put him outside his man as well).
It is fucking infuriating.
But hey, the coaches and all the media seem to think he's amazing so what the fuck do we know aye?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
Quote from the article.
“You cannot replace Test experience – that’s one thing I’ve learned. Hence why Sam Cane has been so valuable. That’s the consistency that South Africa have at the moment."
This is BS. No wonder he's been picking complete has beens all year.
Experience is not fungible/equal.
A lot of the old heads in this group have had a decade of being losers, breaking records for losing, and just in general being inferior. They have BAD experience.
No surprise our best players all year have been debutants who have taken it directly to teams that have been dominating us recently.
Or 2004 where we transformed the team in ONE EOYT by leaving behind Spencer/Marshall and a bunch of experienced MUST HAVE players.
And the next gen took over and dominated the world.
We are on the cusp of that here but apparently Razor is scared to pull the switch.
Don't forget our best player in Sititi this year may have only had 80 minutes of game time all year if it wasn't for that Blackadder injury.
Or seeing Aumua step up when he had no CHOICE after Taylors early injury, and he performed and became a monster this tour, after finally being given a full game instead of a BS garbage time 15 minutes at the end.
We have a bunch of toxic nepotism picks who have been losers for near a DECADE holding us up with our next generation just waiting in the stands until they get they their chance.
Beauden/Rieko/Jordie are immediate examples.
Scott Barret/Reece, possibly Ardie are more.
More than half the team currently literally aren't the best in NZ.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Or 2004 where we transformed the team in ONE EOYT by leaving behind Spencer/Marshall and a bunch of experienced MUST HAVE players.
And the next gen took over and dominated the world.
hmm interesting - this made me remember how Razor exited the AB's. He was the incumbent Mitch didn't take him on EOYT so he could get in great shape for next season as he'd have a heavy workload. Then he never got picked again. Suffice to say Mitch was never going to be on his xmas card list. (sauce: completely random convo with Razor in a lift somewhere in Paris back in my I was overseas days still remember how filthy he was).
wonder if that baggage is impacting his selection thinking..
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And when DMac comes on he ends up at fullback so doesn't have as many touches of the ball, unless BB shovels out a wide pass with no space to operate in.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
And when DMac comes on he ends up at fullback so doesn't have as many touches of the ball, unless BB shovels out a wide pass with no space to operate in.
That’s the part that is driving me nuts.
Dmac start at 10 then finish at 15 sounds ok. Heaps of touches as we play fast early then he moves out to 15 with Barrett on, I can understand.
Start Barrett then move him to 15 and Dmac to 10 to play fast for the final 20, ok, not my choice but I see it.
Start Barrett and keep him there for 80, with Dmac getting 20 minutes at 15, to do what? He’s been creating for others and I guess we have to stop that.
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I am trying to work out what's gone so wrong with our backline.
These are my guesses.
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Aging players are kept in the squad when once upon a time two bad performances would have led to the selectors hitting the ejector seat button.
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Some of our backs ain't fast enough.
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Our backs ain't spending enough time together on the training paddock working on combinations, attacking angles and the timing of passes.
I'd welcome other suggestions.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
I am trying to work out what's gone so wrong with our backline.
These are my guesses.
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Aging players are kept in the squad when once upon a time two bad performances would have led to the selectors hitting the ejector seat button.
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Some of our backs ain't fast enough.
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Our backs ain't spending enough time together on the training paddock working on combinations, attacking angles and the timing of passes.
I'd welcome other suggestions.
Our backline attack has completely stagnated since having BB at 10.
I may seem obsessed with this notion since it's all I've posted recently..but it's infuriating to see something eventuate that seemed so obvious from the outside.
Beauden has never looked good against the rush. He has a horrible passing game, he doesn't run flat to draw in defenders and free the outside backs. He telegraphs his passes and shovels it on, it's just trash. And our attack greatly suffers.
Amazing how we were consistently getting around rush defense with Dmac at 10 (someone with an actual passing game), and it's suddenly disappeared again with BB back.
I'm just in disbelief he is still getting picked to start at 10.
Honestly he must be the most charming person on the planet off the field to keep getting picked.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
I am trying to work out what's gone so wrong with our backline.
These are my guesses.
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Aging players are kept in the squad when once upon a time two bad performances would have led to the selectors hitting the ejector seat button.
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Some of our backs ain't fast enough.
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Our backs ain't spending enough time together on the training paddock working on combinations, attacking angles and the timing of passes.
I'd welcome other suggestions.
Our backline attack has completely stagnated since having BB at 10.
I may seem obsessed with this notion since it's all I've posted recently..but it's infuriating to see something eventuate that seemed so obvious from the outside.
Beauden has never looked good against the rush. He has a horrible passing game, he doesn't run flat to draw in defenders and free the outside backs. He telegraphs his passes and shovels it on, it's just trash. And our attack greatly suffers.
Amazing how we were consistently getting around rush defense with Dmac at 10 (someone with an actual passing game), and it's suddenly disappeared again with BB back.
I'm just in disbelief he is still getting picked to start at 10.
Honestly he must be the most charming person on the planet off the field to keep getting picked.
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Interestingly I was talking to a mate about Razor, and he has a mate (haha yeah I know, mate of mate) with significant first hand experience of Razor in a professional capacity. He doesn't rate his vaunted coaching ability or his man management skills. It's one person's opinion of course, but it feels quite plausible based on this season's events. He had the whole buffet that is NZs top rugby talent to fuse into a quality team, and we got what we got, a pupu platter of inconsistency. I believe we can do better
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Interestingly I was talking to a mate about Razor, and he has a mate (haha yeah I know, mate of mate) with significant first hand experience of Razor in a professional capacity. He doesn't rate his vaunted coaching ability or his man management skills. It's one person's opinion of course, but it feels quite plausible based on this season's events. He had the whole buffet that is NZs top rugby talent to fuse into a quality team, and we got what we got, a pupu platter of inconsistency. I believe we can do better
His record is all that matters. Can’t be beaten. This first year at test level was ok but not great. 2nd year will be interesting.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
someone with an actual passing game
But BB has the best kick pass game in the country.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
someone with an actual passing game
But BB has the best kick pass game in the country.
Wouldn’t even say that - practices the most
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Interestingly I was talking to a mate about Razor, and he has a mate (haha yeah I know, mate of mate) with significant first hand experience of Razor in a professional capacity. He doesn't rate his vaunted coaching ability or his man management skills. It's one person's opinion of course, but it feels quite plausible based on this season's events. He had the whole buffet that is NZs top rugby talent to fuse into a quality team, and we got what we got, a pupu platter of inconsistency. I believe we can do better
His record is all that matters. Can’t be beaten. This first year at test level was ok but not great. 2nd year will be interesting.
@kev said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Interestingly I was talking to a mate about Razor, and he has a mate (haha yeah I know, mate of mate) with significant first hand experience of Razor in a professional capacity. He doesn't rate his vaunted coaching ability or his man management skills. It's one person's opinion of course, but it feels quite plausible based on this season's events. He had the whole buffet that is NZs top rugby talent to fuse into a quality team, and we got what we got, a pupu platter of inconsistency. I believe we can do better
His record is all that matters. Can’t be beaten. This first year at test level was ok but not great. 2nd year will be interesting.
Didn't you hear, apparently SR record doesn't count
. His record this year has been average.
So I agree next year is huge. We won't be complaining if he runs the table next year, or close. If he muddles along again, questions should be answered that his team trimmed , just like Fozzie -
I am trying to work out what's gone so wrong with our backline.
These are my guesses.
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Aging players are kept in the squad when once upon a time two bad performances would have led to the selectors hitting the ejector seat button.
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Some of our backs ain't fast enough.
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Our backs ain't spending enough time together on the training paddock working on combinations, attacking angles and the timing of passes.
I'd welcome other suggestions.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
I am trying to work out what's gone so wrong with our backline.
These are my guesses.
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Aging players are kept in the squad when once upon a time two bad performances would have led to the selectors hitting the ejector seat button.
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Some of our backs ain't fast enough.
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Our backs ain't spending enough time together on the training paddock working on combinations, attacking angles and the timing of passes.
I'd welcome other suggestions.
No 3 - I look at skill sets of players. Reiko just doesn’t execute consistently - his catch and pass % are too low. My perception is that it’s mostly around him that it breaks down. Tough position in today’s game with the rush D.
If you add BB kicking the ball away, most of our issues are in the backs.
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@kev said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Interestingly I was talking to a mate about Razor, and he has a mate (haha yeah I know, mate of mate) with significant first hand experience of Razor in a professional capacity. He doesn't rate his vaunted coaching ability or his man management skills. It's one person's opinion of course, but it feels quite plausible based on this season's events. He had the whole buffet that is NZs top rugby talent to fuse into a quality team, and we got what we got, a pupu platter of inconsistency. I believe we can do better
His record is all that matters. Can’t be beaten. This first year at test level was ok but not great. 2nd year will be interesting.
Didn't you hear, apparently SR record doesn't count
. His record this year has been average.
So I agree next year is huge. We won't be complaining if he runs the table next year, or close. If he muddles along again, questions should be answered that his team trimmed , just like Fozzie -
When is there going to be an announcement on Richie Mounga, the headlines keep coming up and it is hidden by a paywall?
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
When is there going to be an announcement on Richie Mounga, the headlines keep coming up and it is hidden by a paywall?
I saw something earlier - will see if I can dig it out. NZR apparently hoping he'll be back May next year to play for the ABs.
I am disappointed. Fuck it, I'm massively underwhelmed. If he's the answer to our Test malaise I'll eat my hat
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Or 2004 where we transformed the team in ONE EOYT by leaving behind Spencer/Marshall and a bunch of experienced MUST HAVE players.
And the next gen took over and dominated the world.
hmm interesting - this made me remember how Razor exited the AB's. He was the incumbent Mitch didn't take him on EOYT so he could get in great shape for next season as he'd have a heavy workload. Then he never got picked again. Suffice to say Mitch was never going to be on his xmas card list. (sauce: completely random convo with Razor in a lift somewhere in Paris back in my I was overseas days still remember how filthy he was).
wonder if that baggage is impacting his selection thinking..
@WillieTheWaiter said in All Blacks 2024:
(sauce: completely random convo with Razor in a lift somewhere in Paris back in my I was overseas days still remember how filthy he was)
That was 20 years ago
I remember you speaking to the rest of the group just after that.. you were surprised that he was so willing to shit on Mitchell to a random kiwi
Wasn't he pissed at Deans too?
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At least Paul clearly recognises that a likely outcome of Mo'unga coming back is Dmac going, and given the relationship between Toshiba and the Chiefs, Dmac would be their ideal replacement.
All in all, some interesting ideas in that article, but the glaring one to me, is that the sabbatical system was created for Carter.
Mo'unga is a Temu version, and the fact that NZR is bending over now to do this silly shit speaks to the clown show it has become.
