All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch
-
@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@No-Quarter said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Weird call, I know you can't dummy throw but early decoy jumpers I see all the time.
I think (think!) you can jump early but not lift early. They were bound as he jumped.
The above should not be taken as gospel.
19.10 (f)
Basically you can't jump or lift before the ball leaves the hookers hands. It is the equivalent of 'foot up' in a scrum.
While Gardner was correct and obviously wanted to clean the line out contest up for the game, it would have been better to have a word at the next break and warn them of going to penalties (same with the 'early movement call' on Coles). Owens or Joubert would have done that rather than disrupt the flow of the game which took an age to find any rhythm.
Get the game flowing first and your job as ref becomes easier IMO because players are operating more smoothly and making less errors.
@Crucial said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@No-Quarter said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Weird call, I know you can't dummy throw but early decoy jumpers I see all the time.
I think (think!) you can jump early but not lift early. They were bound as he jumped.
The above should not be taken as gospel.
19.10 (f)
Basically you can't jump or lift before the ball leaves the hookers hands. It is the equivalent of 'foot up' in a scrum.
While Gardner was correct and obviously wanted to clean the line out contest up for the game, it would have been better to have a word at the next break and warn them of going to penalties (same with the 'early movement call' on Coles). Owens or Joubert would have done that rather than disrupt the flow of the game which took an age to find any rhythm.
Get the game flowing first and your job as ref becomes easier IMO because players are operating more smoothly and making less errors.
I disagree. It wasn't a technical or marginal breach of the law. The Boks very deliberately lifted their man 2-3 seconds early to prompt the ABs to jump, and then they threw over the top to the unmarked jumper behind. Their actions are exactly what the law is designed to prevent and so they were pinged.
I thought Gardiner was very good.
-
@Crucial said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@No-Quarter said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Weird call, I know you can't dummy throw but early decoy jumpers I see all the time.
I think (think!) you can jump early but not lift early. They were bound as he jumped.
The above should not be taken as gospel.
19.10 (f)
Basically you can't jump or lift before the ball leaves the hookers hands. It is the equivalent of 'foot up' in a scrum.
While Gardner was correct and obviously wanted to clean the line out contest up for the game, it would have been better to have a word at the next break and warn them of going to penalties (same with the 'early movement call' on Coles). Owens or Joubert would have done that rather than disrupt the flow of the game which took an age to find any rhythm.
Get the game flowing first and your job as ref becomes easier IMO because players are operating more smoothly and making less errors.
I disagree. It wasn't a technical or marginal breach of the law. The Boks very deliberately lifted their man 2-3 seconds early to prompt the ABs to jump, and then they threw over the top to the unmarked jumper behind. Their actions are exactly what the law is designed to prevent and so they were pinged.
I thought Gardiner was very good.
-
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else, Ardie needs a little more bulk although he has other intangibles. Bones that grubber kick from Ardie was pretty sweet I think considering the space he was in. If Fekitoa caught it it was on. Crotty was average and if he was Toeava the fern would have been crowing about him having tits for hands. That forward pass was awful but the Cantabs have been good at perfecting it and getting away with it. He is injured often. Because Barrett has been so dynamic he really has only to be a role player. The midfield is still not settled. I am not a Fekitoa fan but he tackles well, very well, and with the space he had really did not do much wrong. Winning by large margins does get boring. Was it a home town decision to bring on Todd because Squire was on the bench right? If Kaino is injured will this mean Squire will get a start or since we have won this thing do we start to blood the inevitable in Ioane?
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
-
@Damo the neck roll thing aside, I agree.
@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Damo the neck roll thing aside, I agree.
Sure, but the neck roll was on the TMO. While it's true the ref can overrule a TMO, Gardiner was explicitly instructed that it was a PK. In most circumstances a ref should not overrule a TMO where he isn't sure himself. I don't blame the ref at all for listening to the TMO.
The TMO on the other hand. ...
-
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
-
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
-
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
@Stargazer said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
Chill out dude. Obviously misled by the commentators and some times in the back of your mind you get impressions that may be incorrect. It was 430am when I watched the game on replay and was ff at times. It is obvious I am not a big crotty fan but he is not disgracing himself. We all have favorites and in my opinion by world cup time I think we can do better. Hoping to see more of alb, not sure about Moala or fekitoa yet. We have had Nonu and he has set the standard so anyone walking into his position is subject to comparison fair or unfair. I would like to see a more robust 2nd five that will take some of the pressure off Barret. How about Akira Ioane at 2nd five and just reinvent the position.
-
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
Apparently south Africa with all their players
-
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
Apparently south Africa with all their players
-
Ardie and Julian are the first All Blacks brothers to both score in the same game.
-
@mariner4life you mean those not picked because of quotas or injury?
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@mariner4life you mean those not picked because of quotas or injury?
I think the quota thing is overdone.
On another forum the question was asked who was picked on race and should not be there and there was only one player identified (reserve hooker Bongi), and even he had been dropped for the game against the AB's. Arguably he wasn't a quota player but a project player they were hoping to get some experience
There really aren't many (if any) players who are disadvantaged due to the quota system.
Does anyone else know of any player in the Boks who is there on race and not on merit?
-
@Stargazer said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
Chill out dude. Obviously misled by the commentators and some times in the back of your mind you get impressions that may be incorrect. It was 430am when I watched the game on replay and was ff at times. It is obvious I am not a big crotty fan but he is not disgracing himself. We all have favorites and in my opinion by world cup time I think we can do better. Hoping to see more of alb, not sure about Moala or fekitoa yet. We have had Nonu and he has set the standard so anyone walking into his position is subject to comparison fair or unfair. I would like to see a more robust 2nd five that will take some of the pressure off Barret. How about Akira Ioane at 2nd five and just reinvent the position.
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
Chill out dude. Obviously misled by the commentators and some times in the back of your mind you get impressions that may be incorrect. It was 430am when I watched the game on replay and was ff at times. It is obvious I am not a big crotty fan but he is not disgracing himself. We all have favorites and in my opinion by world cup time I think we can do better. Hoping to see more of alb, not sure about Moala or fekitoa yet. We have had Nonu and he has set the standard so anyone walking into his position is subject to comparison fair or unfair. I would like to see a more robust 2nd five that will take some of the pressure off Barret. How about Akira Ioane at 2nd five and just reinvent the position.
I assume you mean Reiko Ioane. If you watched last week's game v the Pumas, Crotty ran near perfect lines off Barrett. I can understand the coaches trying to cultivate that. As the coaches have said multiple times, they see Crotty as a Conrad Smith type of player. It's just silly to compare him with Nonu. Anyway, with the TRC more or less in the bag, they will try different players and combos over the next few games, so maybe we get to see some great alternatives.
-
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@mariner4life you mean those not picked because of quotas or injury?
I think the quota thing is overdone.
On another forum the question was asked who was picked on race and should not be there and there was only one player identified (reserve hooker Bongi), and even he had been dropped for the game against the AB's. Arguably he wasn't a quota player but a project player they were hoping to get some experience
There really aren't many (if any) players who are disadvantaged due to the quota system.
Does anyone else know of any player in the Boks who is there on race and not on merit?
-
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
Chill out dude. Obviously misled by the commentators and some times in the back of your mind you get impressions that may be incorrect. It was 430am when I watched the game on replay and was ff at times. It is obvious I am not a big crotty fan but he is not disgracing himself. We all have favorites and in my opinion by world cup time I think we can do better. Hoping to see more of alb, not sure about Moala or fekitoa yet. We have had Nonu and he has set the standard so anyone walking into his position is subject to comparison fair or unfair. I would like to see a more robust 2nd five that will take some of the pressure off Barret. How about Akira Ioane at 2nd five and just reinvent the position.
I assume you mean Reiko Ioane. If you watched last week's game v the Pumas, Crotty ran near perfect lines off Barrett. I can understand the coaches trying to cultivate that. As the coaches have said multiple times, they see Crotty as a Conrad Smith type of player. It's just silly to compare him with Nonu. Anyway, with the TRC more or less in the bag, they will try different players and combos over the next few games, so maybe we get to see some great alternatives.
@Stargazer no actually I meant Akira but I know it won't happen. Thinking outside of the box.
-
-
Do you remember when Dane Coles was absolute rubbish? His play now is bordering on the best hooker ever. Quite a turnaround.
-
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
@Stargazer said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
I was at the ground, Crotty almost definately went off injured. Was on the ground for a while being treated not long before leaving the field.
-
Goddam I love seeing that gloryhunter Habana made to look like a Muppet. Was that 3 walk in tries due to him being out of position?
People giving Fekitoa a hard time maybe aren't noticing how excellent his defence is. Gee he makes some irksome mistakes on attack though.
@broughie Ardie dropped it onto the boot and it almost came off. But hey, what was wrong with the option of a simple pass to the space outside him.....not flashy enough for Ardie?
-
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
I know you asked Vidgil but from my pov I'm not quaking in my boots about England
