All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch
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@Crucial can't say I agree. This wasn't an error in timing or execution. It was a deliberate transgression.
And i disagree that the referee's job is to get the game flowing first and then blow shit up he ignored earlier.
Sure don't go looking for an early penalty, but that was a blatent and deliberate breach.
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@booboo but it has created a bit of a talking point, and with us not due to play them again until 2018, Steddie can fire all the shots he likes knowing they dont have to back it up
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@taniwharugby exactly my point. We don't play till 2018. I can't see England maintaining their record between now and then (been wrong before ... ) so I don't why we've put them up on such a pedestal now.
What happens if or when England drop to No.6 by the end of next year? Are we still in awe?
Conversely we drop a couple of games and to the unplumbed depths of No.2 (ok we have been No.2 before so not unplumbed ... ).
To misquote Cheika: England are irrelevant to me.
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@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie Yes they won 3 from 3. But they weren't dominant in any of them. They were IMO on a par with Aus but knew how to score a few more points.
The results have given them a slightly inflated rep.
It was still an away result which is worth something. Eddie Jones is a good coach and has a 5 - 6 record against the ABS which a lot of coaches would envy.
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This game followed the template of the other home tests this year - a tight 1st half before running over the top of the opposition in the 2nd half.
One thing Hansen and Smith will want to rectify is that both Arg and SA have exposed the AB's defensive alignment close to the breakdown on occasion when they recycle the ball quickly.
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@Crucial said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@No-Quarter said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Weird call, I know you can't dummy throw but early decoy jumpers I see all the time.
I think (think!) you can jump early but not lift early. They were bound as he jumped.
The above should not be taken as gospel.
19.10 (f)
Basically you can't jump or lift before the ball leaves the hookers hands. It is the equivalent of 'foot up' in a scrum.
While Gardner was correct and obviously wanted to clean the line out contest up for the game, it would have been better to have a word at the next break and warn them of going to penalties (same with the 'early movement call' on Coles). Owens or Joubert would have done that rather than disrupt the flow of the game which took an age to find any rhythm.
Get the game flowing first and your job as ref becomes easier IMO because players are operating more smoothly and making less errors.
I disagree. It wasn't a technical or marginal breach of the law. The Boks very deliberately lifted their man 2-3 seconds early to prompt the ABs to jump, and then they threw over the top to the unmarked jumper behind. Their actions are exactly what the law is designed to prevent and so they were pinged.
I thought Gardiner was very good.
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@Damo the neck roll thing aside, I agree.
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@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
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@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Damo the neck roll thing aside, I agree.
Sure, but the neck roll was on the TMO. While it's true the ref can overrule a TMO, Gardiner was explicitly instructed that it was a PK. In most circumstances a ref should not overrule a TMO where he isn't sure himself. I don't blame the ref at all for listening to the TMO.
The TMO on the other hand. ...
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@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
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@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
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@Stargazer said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
Chill out dude. Obviously misled by the commentators and some times in the back of your mind you get impressions that may be incorrect. It was 430am when I watched the game on replay and was ff at times. It is obvious I am not a big crotty fan but he is not disgracing himself. We all have favorites and in my opinion by world cup time I think we can do better. Hoping to see more of alb, not sure about Moala or fekitoa yet. We have had Nonu and he has set the standard so anyone walking into his position is subject to comparison fair or unfair. I would like to see a more robust 2nd five that will take some of the pressure off Barret. How about Akira Ioane at 2nd five and just reinvent the position.
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@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
Apparently south Africa with all their players
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@mariner4life you mean those not picked because of quotas or injury?
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Ardie and Julian are the first All Blacks brothers to both score in the same game.
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@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@mariner4life you mean those not picked because of quotas or injury?
I think the quota thing is overdone.
On another forum the question was asked who was picked on race and should not be there and there was only one player identified (reserve hooker Bongi), and even he had been dropped for the game against the AB's. Arguably he wasn't a quota player but a project player they were hoping to get some experience
There really aren't many (if any) players who are disadvantaged due to the quota system.
Does anyone else know of any player in the Boks who is there on race and not on merit?
