All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch
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Looks like Hansen and co know what they are talking about -Ardie needs to put on a few more kgs to warrant a starting role.
@akan004 said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Looks like Hansen and co know what they are talking about -Ardie needs to put on a few more kgs to warrant a starting role.
and get fitter.
It might just be the way he carries himself but he often looks like a forward equivalent of Sivivatu on an uninterested day.
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South Africa are absolute world beaters, luckily for New Zealand we have political interference which allows your boys to remain competitive.
There are already very few teams that can keep up with AB's for 60 min, RIP those captivating matches we as spectators used to be treated to.
There is not a tier 1 coach in the world that would accept the criteria imposed by SARU. Until that changes, we will continue to unravel.
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@PN said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
South Africa are absolute world beaters, luckily for New Zealand we have political interference which allows your boys to remain competitive.
There are already very few teams that can keep up with AB's for 60 min, RIP those captivating matches we as spectators used to be treated to.
There is not a tier 1 coach in the world that would accept the criteria imposed by SARU. Until that changes, we will continue to unravel.
(Completely off topic, I cannot seem to login with my old account, anyone care to help me out with a link to how to get it back etc)
Check out instructions here
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Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else, Ardie needs a little more bulk although he has other intangibles. Bones that grubber kick from Ardie was pretty sweet I think considering the space he was in. If Fekitoa caught it it was on. Crotty was average and if he was Toeava the fern would have been crowing about him having tits for hands. That forward pass was awful but the Cantabs have been good at perfecting it and getting away with it. He is injured often. Because Barrett has been so dynamic he really has only to be a role player. The midfield is still not settled. I am not a Fekitoa fan but he tackles well, very well, and with the space he had really did not do much wrong. Winning by large margins does get boring. Was it a home town decision to bring on Todd because Squire was on the bench right? If Kaino is injured will this mean Squire will get a start or since we have won this thing do we start to blood the inevitable in Ioane?
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@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@No-Quarter said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Weird call, I know you can't dummy throw but early decoy jumpers I see all the time.
I think (think!) you can jump early but not lift early. They were bound as he jumped.
The above should not be taken as gospel.
19.10 (f)
Basically you can't jump or lift before the ball leaves the hookers hands. It is the equivalent of 'foot up' in a scrum.
While Gardner was correct and obviously wanted to clean the line out contest up for the game, it would have been better to have a word at the next break and warn them of going to penalties (same with the 'early movement call' on Coles). Owens or Joubert would have done that rather than disrupt the flow of the game which took an age to find any rhythm.
Get the game flowing first and your job as ref becomes easier IMO because players are operating more smoothly and making less errors.
@Crucial can't say I agree. This wasn't an error in timing or execution. It was a deliberate transgression.
And i disagree that the referee's job is to get the game flowing first and then blow shit up he ignored earlier.
Sure don't go looking for an early penalty, but that was a blatent and deliberate breach.
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@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
England getting better everytime they don't play.
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@broughie Yes they won 3 from 3. But they weren't dominant in any of them. They were IMO on a par with Aus but knew how to score a few more points.
The results have given them a slightly inflated rep.
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@booboo but it has created a bit of a talking point, and with us not due to play them again until 2018, Steddie can fire all the shots he likes knowing they dont have to back it up
@taniwharugby exactly my point. We don't play till 2018. I can't see England maintaining their record between now and then (been wrong before ... ) so I don't why we've put them up on such a pedestal now.
What happens if or when England drop to No.6 by the end of next year? Are we still in awe?
Conversely we drop a couple of games and to the unplumbed depths of No.2 (ok we have been No.2 before so not unplumbed ... ).
To misquote Cheika: England are irrelevant to me.
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@mariner4life said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
I just wanted to say that's an appalling call. There was no roll, no grasping of the neck, it was nothing. If the guy has his head below the hips there is going to be high contact. Stop fucking up rugby you ref fluffybunnies!
An Ayoubism. Gardner was letting it go. Crap call.
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@broughie Yes they won 3 from 3. But they weren't dominant in any of them. They were IMO on a par with Aus but knew how to score a few more points.
The results have given them a slightly inflated rep.
@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie Yes they won 3 from 3. But they weren't dominant in any of them. They were IMO on a par with Aus but knew how to score a few more points.
The results have given them a slightly inflated rep.
It was still an away result which is worth something. Eddie Jones is a good coach and has a 5 - 6 record against the ABS which a lot of coaches would envy.
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@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
An Ayoubism. Gardner was letting it go. Crap call.
Gardner should have over-ruled Ayoub there, as a more senior ref would have done.
This game followed the template of the other home tests this year - a tight 1st half before running over the top of the opposition in the 2nd half.
One thing Hansen and Smith will want to rectify is that both Arg and SA have exposed the AB's defensive alignment close to the breakdown on occasion when they recycle the ball quickly.
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@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@No-Quarter said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Weird call, I know you can't dummy throw but early decoy jumpers I see all the time.
I think (think!) you can jump early but not lift early. They were bound as he jumped.
The above should not be taken as gospel.
19.10 (f)
Basically you can't jump or lift before the ball leaves the hookers hands. It is the equivalent of 'foot up' in a scrum.
While Gardner was correct and obviously wanted to clean the line out contest up for the game, it would have been better to have a word at the next break and warn them of going to penalties (same with the 'early movement call' on Coles). Owens or Joubert would have done that rather than disrupt the flow of the game which took an age to find any rhythm.
Get the game flowing first and your job as ref becomes easier IMO because players are operating more smoothly and making less errors.
@Crucial said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@No-Quarter said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Weird call, I know you can't dummy throw but early decoy jumpers I see all the time.
I think (think!) you can jump early but not lift early. They were bound as he jumped.
The above should not be taken as gospel.
19.10 (f)
Basically you can't jump or lift before the ball leaves the hookers hands. It is the equivalent of 'foot up' in a scrum.
While Gardner was correct and obviously wanted to clean the line out contest up for the game, it would have been better to have a word at the next break and warn them of going to penalties (same with the 'early movement call' on Coles). Owens or Joubert would have done that rather than disrupt the flow of the game which took an age to find any rhythm.
Get the game flowing first and your job as ref becomes easier IMO because players are operating more smoothly and making less errors.
I disagree. It wasn't a technical or marginal breach of the law. The Boks very deliberately lifted their man 2-3 seconds early to prompt the ABs to jump, and then they threw over the top to the unmarked jumper behind. Their actions are exactly what the law is designed to prevent and so they were pinged.
I thought Gardiner was very good.
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@Crucial said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@booboo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@No-Quarter said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Weird call, I know you can't dummy throw but early decoy jumpers I see all the time.
I think (think!) you can jump early but not lift early. They were bound as he jumped.
The above should not be taken as gospel.
19.10 (f)
Basically you can't jump or lift before the ball leaves the hookers hands. It is the equivalent of 'foot up' in a scrum.
While Gardner was correct and obviously wanted to clean the line out contest up for the game, it would have been better to have a word at the next break and warn them of going to penalties (same with the 'early movement call' on Coles). Owens or Joubert would have done that rather than disrupt the flow of the game which took an age to find any rhythm.
Get the game flowing first and your job as ref becomes easier IMO because players are operating more smoothly and making less errors.
I disagree. It wasn't a technical or marginal breach of the law. The Boks very deliberately lifted their man 2-3 seconds early to prompt the ABs to jump, and then they threw over the top to the unmarked jumper behind. Their actions are exactly what the law is designed to prevent and so they were pinged.
I thought Gardiner was very good.
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Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else, Ardie needs a little more bulk although he has other intangibles. Bones that grubber kick from Ardie was pretty sweet I think considering the space he was in. If Fekitoa caught it it was on. Crotty was average and if he was Toeava the fern would have been crowing about him having tits for hands. That forward pass was awful but the Cantabs have been good at perfecting it and getting away with it. He is injured often. Because Barrett has been so dynamic he really has only to be a role player. The midfield is still not settled. I am not a Fekitoa fan but he tackles well, very well, and with the space he had really did not do much wrong. Winning by large margins does get boring. Was it a home town decision to bring on Todd because Squire was on the bench right? If Kaino is injured will this mean Squire will get a start or since we have won this thing do we start to blood the inevitable in Ioane?
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
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@Damo the neck roll thing aside, I agree.
@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Damo the neck roll thing aside, I agree.
Sure, but the neck roll was on the TMO. While it's true the ref can overrule a TMO, Gardiner was explicitly instructed that it was a PK. In most circumstances a ref should not overrule a TMO where he isn't sure himself. I don't blame the ref at all for listening to the TMO.
The TMO on the other hand. ...
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@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
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@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
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@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
@Stargazer said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Stargazer He is injured alot so it is not surprising.
As you may have missed, Crotty isn't injured at all. It was just a stupid assumption from the commentators, who seem to have missed the fact that the coaches might want to give ALB a run and that ALB's preferred spot is at 12.
He also doesn't get injured often. He was injured at the beginning of the Super Rugby season because he had a DIY accident at home, so nothing rugby related. During the rest of the season he only missed one game. He had the head knock during the second game v Wales, which ruled him out for the third. Head knocks can happen to anyone; one single head knock that keeps a player out of the match day squad for one game doesn't indicate a weakness. It's clear you're not a fan, but at least get your facts right.
Chill out dude. Obviously misled by the commentators and some times in the back of your mind you get impressions that may be incorrect. It was 430am when I watched the game on replay and was ff at times. It is obvious I am not a big crotty fan but he is not disgracing himself. We all have favorites and in my opinion by world cup time I think we can do better. Hoping to see more of alb, not sure about Moala or fekitoa yet. We have had Nonu and he has set the standard so anyone walking into his position is subject to comparison fair or unfair. I would like to see a more robust 2nd five that will take some of the pressure off Barret. How about Akira Ioane at 2nd five and just reinvent the position.
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@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
Apparently south Africa with all their players
