Exodus
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Robertson snub?
Foster gave him a shot and then didn't pick him again, after he was playing even better at lower levels...he is the epitome of the comment 'plays one side' although certainly not the only one.
Maybe, just maybe he was given work ons, but failed to meet the requirements?
Have to assume that both Fozzie and Razor see something that didnt quite fit, kinda the same way these guys continually pick players we see as a poor fit...
I hate losing players like him, but the hyperbolic headlines help no one.
@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
Robertson snub?
Foster gave him a shot and then didn't pick him again, after he was playing even better at lower levels...he is the epitome of the comment 'plays one side' although certainly not the only one.
Maybe, just maybe he was given work ons, but failed to meet the requirements?
Have to assume that both Fozzie and Razor see something that didnt quite fit, kinda the same way these guys continually pick players we see as a poor fit...
I hate losing players like him, but the hyperbolic headlines help no one.
I get this
But I want someone to explain the ways beauden Barrett is better than SS.
Established players get so much more leeway than someone trying to get in.
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Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
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Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Don't forget Reece getting burned in that French game. He's clearly lost a bit of pace.
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Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Don't forget Reece getting burned in that French game. He's clearly lost a bit of pace.
@Canes4life said in Exodus:
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Don't forget Reece getting burned in that French game. He's clearly lost a bit of pace.
Apparently experience will magically make up for his lost pace. Razor logic.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
Robertson snub?
Foster gave him a shot and then didn't pick him again, after he was playing even better at lower levels...he is the epitome of the comment 'plays one side' although certainly not the only one.
Maybe, just maybe he was given work ons, but failed to meet the requirements?
Have to assume that both Fozzie and Razor see something that didnt quite fit, kinda the same way these guys continually pick players we see as a poor fit...
I hate losing players like him, but the hyperbolic headlines help no one.
I get this
But I want someone to explain the ways beauden Barrett is better than SS.
Established players get so much more leeway than someone trying to get in.
@mariner4life absolutely, as I edited into my original post (that you had quoted) seems there are 'reasons' why they dont select player b, but then player a has same issues but keeps getting selected, often to start.
Agree with @African-Monkey that it almost seemed Fozzie bowed to 'public pressure' and gave him his cap and when he didnt score a hundred tries, was an immediate failure.
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How Fihaki was selected in front of Stevenson I will never know. As a Canes fan I always saw Stevenson as a class player and a bit of a thorn in our side when we play the Chiefs. Huge loss for NZ rugby IMO but wish him well on his next phase of his career.
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@Canes4life said in Exodus:
How Fihaki was selected in front of Stevenson I will never know.
Pure speculation but perhaps his move was already signalled and there was no point picking him?
@Canes4life said in Exodus:
How Fihaki was selected in front of Stevenson I will never know.
Pure speculation but perhaps his move was already signalled and there was no point picking him?
I believe Stevenson stuck around another year to see if he got any opportunities with the new coaching set up.
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@Canes4life said in Exodus:
How Fihaki was selected in front of Stevenson I will never know.
Pure speculation but perhaps his move was already signalled and there was no point picking him?
@Canes4life said in Exodus:
How Fihaki was selected in front of Stevenson I will never know.
Pure speculation but perhaps his move was already signalled and there was no point picking him?
I don't think they would have picked him for the All Blacks XV if that was the case.
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@Canes4life said in Exodus:
How Fihaki was selected in front of Stevenson I will never know.
Pure speculation but perhaps his move was already signalled and there was no point picking him?
I don't think they would have picked him for the All Blacks XV if that was the case.
@Canes4life said in Exodus:
How Fihaki was selected in front of Stevenson I will never know.
Pure speculation but perhaps his move was already signalled and there was no point picking him?
I don't think they would have picked him for the All Blacks XV if that was the case.
Fair
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Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Hindsight is wonderful aye. IIRC, not many were questioning Reece's inclusion this year based on his form in Super Rugby.
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Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Hindsight is wonderful aye. IIRC, not many were questioning Reece's inclusion this year based on his form in Super Rugby.
@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Hindsight is wonderful aye. IIRC, not many were questioning Reece's inclusion this year based on his form in Super Rugby.
Many questioned his inclusion for the EOYT though. He had a fairly average RC.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Hindsight is wonderful aye. IIRC, not many were questioning Reece's inclusion this year based on his form in Super Rugby.
Many questioned his inclusion for the EOYT though. He had a fairly average RC.
@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Hindsight is wonderful aye. IIRC, not many were questioning Reece's inclusion this year based on his form in Super Rugby.
Many questioned his inclusion for the EOYT though. He had a fairly average RC.
Good point (same could be said about Tele'a) but was Stephenson getting touted as a replacement? This year has been a bit of a blur to me because of the Sotutu kerfuffle.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Hindsight is wonderful aye. IIRC, not many were questioning Reece's inclusion this year based on his form in Super Rugby.
Many questioned his inclusion for the EOYT though. He had a fairly average RC.
Good point (same could be said about Tele'a) but was Stephenson getting touted as a replacement? This year has been a bit of a blur to me because of the Sotutu kerfuffle.
@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Hindsight is wonderful aye. IIRC, not many were questioning Reece's inclusion this year based on his form in Super Rugby.
Many questioned his inclusion for the EOYT though. He had a fairly average RC.
Good point (same could be said about Tele'a) but was Stephenson getting touted as a replacement? This year has been a bit of a blur to me because of the Sotutu kerfuffle.
I think Stevenson has been well on the outer since Fozzie put him there
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Don’t think he has what it takes to be an AB winger. A bit of a one season wonder.
@Billy-Tell said in Exodus:
Don’t think he has what it takes to be an AB winger. A bit of a one season wonder.
Doesn't assault his missus or drunkenly drive cars into garages.
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@Billy-Tell said in Exodus:
Don’t think he has what it takes to be an AB winger. A bit of a one season wonder.
Doesn't assault his missus or drunkenly drive cars into garages.
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The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
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The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
Based on evidence it would appear Razor's vaunted man management skills are significantly overstated
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The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
Based on evidence it would appear Razor's vaunted man management skills are significantly overstated
The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
Based on evidence it would appear Razor's vaunted man management skills are significantly overstated
The critique from Sir Graham at his first interview was to get broader coaching experience - ideally overseas, out of the Canterbury bubble. That didn't happen - and it can be absolutely invaluable to a coach.
