Exodus
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@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Hindsight is wonderful aye. IIRC, not many were questioning Reece's inclusion this year based on his form in Super Rugby.
Many questioned his inclusion for the EOYT though. He had a fairly average RC.
Good point (same could be said about Tele'a) but was Stephenson getting touted as a replacement? This year has been a bit of a blur to me because of the Sotutu kerfuffle.
@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
Shame about Stevenson going, (say the same about anything that takes away depth) but I maybe not as gut wrenched as a few. I always thought he was a bloody good 15 with a good punt, but maybe seemed to go missing big times in quite a few games. Very much like Akira Ioane type player, perhaps had everything but that last 2% in mind department? Just my take, so don't shoot me. I honestly thing Chiefs will be well served with ENS at 15, but I not really a Chiefs man so obviously not deep into it.
Stevenson and ENS are both better than Fihaki and Reece. Reece has had ample opportunities but is a flake under the highball and lacks the pace to be an international winger plus he's a basically a crim that got two free passes.
The double standards of these coaches boggles the mind.
Hindsight is wonderful aye. IIRC, not many were questioning Reece's inclusion this year based on his form in Super Rugby.
Many questioned his inclusion for the EOYT though. He had a fairly average RC.
Good point (same could be said about Tele'a) but was Stephenson getting touted as a replacement? This year has been a bit of a blur to me because of the Sotutu kerfuffle.
I think Stevenson has been well on the outer since Fozzie put him there
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Don’t think he has what it takes to be an AB winger. A bit of a one season wonder.
@Billy-Tell said in Exodus:
Don’t think he has what it takes to be an AB winger. A bit of a one season wonder.
Doesn't assault his missus or drunkenly drive cars into garages.
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@Billy-Tell said in Exodus:
Don’t think he has what it takes to be an AB winger. A bit of a one season wonder.
Doesn't assault his missus or drunkenly drive cars into garages.
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The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
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The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
Based on evidence it would appear Razor's vaunted man management skills are significantly overstated
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The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
Based on evidence it would appear Razor's vaunted man management skills are significantly overstated
The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
Based on evidence it would appear Razor's vaunted man management skills are significantly overstated
The critique from Sir Graham at his first interview was to get broader coaching experience - ideally overseas, out of the Canterbury bubble. That didn't happen - and it can be absolutely invaluable to a coach.
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Reckon Fihaki was probably Razor's bid for an inspired pick, praying to every god that he would look a genius even though there was only like one game where he even looked quality in SR.
Nareki was robbed.
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Reckon Fihaki was probably Razor's bid for an inspired pick, praying to every god that he would look a genius even though there was only like one game where he even looked quality in SR.
Nareki was robbed.
Reckon Fihaki was probably Razor's bid for an inspired pick, praying to every god that he would look a genius even though there was only like one game where he even looked quality in SR.
Nareki was robbed.
So were Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo and even Naholo. They were all better than Fihaki in Super. Fihaki was well down the pecking order, crazy the fact he was called up at all.
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Reckon Fihaki was probably Razor's bid for an inspired pick, praying to every god that he would look a genius even though there was only like one game where he even looked quality in SR.
Nareki was robbed.
So were Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo and even Naholo. They were all better than Fihaki in Super. Fihaki was well down the pecking order, crazy the fact he was called up at all.
@Canes4life said in Exodus:
Reckon Fihaki was probably Razor's bid for an inspired pick, praying to every god that he would look a genius even though there was only like one game where he even looked quality in SR.
Nareki was robbed.
So were Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo and even Naholo. They were all better than Fihaki in Super. Fihaki was well down the pecking order, crazy the fact he was called up at all.
Nuance fella, someone was asking for outrage from highlanders...
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The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
The messages the coaches are sending to the players is the problem here.
That’s two next level players (who both might have strong international capability) leaving in two weeks.
Something’s a bit rotten if you’ve got players giving up and bolting like this. From a Chiefs perspective I’m pissed as Stevenson is a great piece after being very rocks and diamonds, but the Plummer one is more concerning. Of course, this is after losing Akira and (rumored) Sotutu.
These coaches need to make an effort to get out of their Crusader bubble as they are contributing to the reduction in player quality.
Players heading overseas is as old as the sun. It’s hardly a new crisis. I remember schuster Gallagher and Ridge back in the day.
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Reckon Fihaki was probably Razor's bid for an inspired pick, praying to every god that he would look a genius even though there was only like one game where he even looked quality in SR.
Nareki was robbed.
So were Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo and even Naholo. They were all better than Fihaki in Super. Fihaki was well down the pecking order, crazy the fact he was called up at all.
@Canes4life said in Exodus:
So were Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo and even Naholo. They were all better than Fihaki in Super. Fihaki was well down the pecking order, crazy the fact he was called up at all.
It is ok, they're were from the smaller and far less important North Island..
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@Canes4life said in Exodus:
Reckon Fihaki was probably Razor's bid for an inspired pick, praying to every god that he would look a genius even though there was only like one game where he even looked quality in SR.
Nareki was robbed.
So were Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo and even Naholo. They were all better than Fihaki in Super. Fihaki was well down the pecking order, crazy the fact he was called up at all.
Nuance fella, someone was asking for outrage from highlanders...
@Canes4life said in Exodus:
Reckon Fihaki was probably Razor's bid for an inspired pick, praying to every god that he would look a genius even though there was only like one game where he even looked quality in SR.
Nareki was robbed.
So were Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo and even Naholo. They were all better than Fihaki in Super. Fihaki was well down the pecking order, crazy the fact he was called up at all.
Nuance fella, someone was asking for outrage from highlanders...
This is the sort of response you get when I don't read the thread.
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@Canes4life said in Exodus:
Reckon Fihaki was probably Razor's bid for an inspired pick, praying to every god that he would look a genius even though there was only like one game where he even looked quality in SR.
Nareki was robbed.
So were Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo and even Naholo. They were all better than Fihaki in Super. Fihaki was well down the pecking order, crazy the fact he was called up at all.
Nuance fella, someone was asking for outrage from highlanders...
This is the sort of response you get when I don't read the thread.
@Canes4life said in Exodus:
Nuance fella, someone was asking for outrage from highlanders...
This is the sort of response you get when I don't read the thread.
I'm not sure, given they chose Mark Hammett as assistant coach, there is much that can outrage Highlanders* any more.
*Ooops, nearly typed Huglanders.
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@Billy-Tell said in Exodus:
Don’t think he has what it takes to be an AB winger. A bit of a one season wonder.
Doesn't assault his missus or drunkenly drive cars into garages.
@Billy-Tell said in Exodus:
Don’t think he has what it takes to be an AB winger. A bit of a one season wonder.
Doesn't assault his missus or drunkenly drive cars into garages.
This goes to the heart of the problem. A good coach would work with him to improve his abilities in these key areas.
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Bit slack on my end but after chatting with a contact about the Stevenson situation a couple days ago, I was told there are a few more in similar situations that are seriously considering moving on early.
Not exactly ground breaking I know as there are players that happen to move on every year. The concerning part is it’s beginning to become more common that they are ones that are close to AB contention or young ABs.
Thought it was worth a share. Will continued to fire it in as I hear more.
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Faletoi Peni ( Southland) and Simon Peter Toleafoa ( Counties Manukau) have both signed with the New England free jacks for the coming season
@Kiwidom Manukau Rovers 2022 & 2023 Gallagher shield winning first five & fullback
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Bit slack on my end but after chatting with a contact about the Stevenson situation a couple days ago, I was told there are a few more in similar situations that are seriously considering moving on early.
Not exactly ground breaking I know as there are players that happen to move on every year. The concerning part is it’s beginning to become more common that they are ones that are close to AB contention or young ABs.
Thought it was worth a share. Will continued to fire it in as I hear more.
@Landers92 said in Exodus:
Bit slack on my end but after chatting with a contact about the Stevenson situation a couple days ago, I was told there are a few more in similar situations that are seriously considering moving on early.
Not exactly ground breaking I know as there are players that happen to move on every year. The concerning part is it’s beginning to become more common that they are ones that are close to AB contention or young ABs.
Thought it was worth a share. Will continued to fire it in as I hear more.
It's so hard to get a look in these days especially with guys there who never get dropped due to their contracts. Apart from Mo'unga, Fai'anganuku and Frizzell who are all coming back from overseas and not just to play SR, who else is likely to break into this ABs side from now to the next WC? Chay Fihaki is one. Anyone else/.
