All Blacks 2025
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past.
That has been an issue for 20+ years now...harder to get dropped from the team than into it.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past.
That has been an issue for 20+ years now...harder to get dropped from the team than into it.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
No he wasn't he was kept for the Lions, that was well after his best, so it most certainly wasn't 'the moment'
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
No he wasn't he was kept for the Lions, that was well after his best, so it most certainly wasn't 'the moment'
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
No he wasn't he was kept for the Lions, that was well after his best, so it most certainly wasn't 'the moment'
Maybe not but compared to some of today’s players it most certainly was. He was under pressure and gone way quicker.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
WTF is happening in this thread? @cgrant we tried him at 15, it wasn't great. @SBW1 you want to change him to a third position, when he's never been a very composed player and his boot isn't highly accurate in the field of play.
Yeah the ‘he has to play he’s a Barrett’ argument is getting ridiculous.
He’s already played 10 briefly, let’s have a fresh start in 2025 and put him at halfback. His height will be a real point of difference
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant do you think Razor will drop a Barrett?
No, but JB could take the 15 jersey. He was very good at fullback for Leinster vs Clermont in every aspect of this position.
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant do you think Razor will drop a Barrett?
No, but JB could take the 15 jersey. He was very good at fullback for Leinster vs Clermont in every aspect of this position.
They already have their Sexton replacement too.
That Sam Prendergast is absolutely mustard and better than any 10 we have knocking around on our shores. The way he takes it to the line is a joy to watch. He's not particularly fast and not obviously strong but he has an eternity on the ball.
He is better than the current iteration of Barrett and McKenzie already.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
WTF is happening in this thread? @cgrant we tried him at 15, it wasn't great. @SBW1 you want to change him to a third position, when he's never been a very composed player and his boot isn't highly accurate in the field of play.
Yeah the ‘he has to play he’s a Barrett’ argument is getting ridiculous.
He’s already played 10 briefly, let’s have a fresh start in 2025 and put him at halfback. His height will be a real point of difference
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
WTF is happening in this thread? @cgrant we tried him at 15, it wasn't great. @SBW1 you want to change him to a third position, when he's never been a very composed player and his boot isn't highly accurate in the field of play.
Yeah the ‘he has to play he’s a Barrett’ argument is getting ridiculous.
He’s already played 10 briefly, let’s have a fresh start in 2025 and put him at halfback. His height will be a real point of difference
Jordie really is some unit though. He doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Beaudy in the gas station CD bin yet.
This sojourn up north might help him tighten up some of the loose shit. Bread and butter rugby.
He has been carrying and tackling with prejudice. Great to see.
Himself and Rieko don’t work as a combo though. Don’t want to see it anymore.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
WTF is happening in this thread? @cgrant we tried him at 15, it wasn't great. @SBW1 you want to change him to a third position, when he's never been a very composed player and his boot isn't highly accurate in the field of play.
Yeah the ‘he has to play he’s a Barrett’ argument is getting ridiculous.
He’s already played 10 briefly, let’s have a fresh start in 2025 and put him at halfback. His height will be a real point of difference
Jordie really is some unit though. He doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Beaudy in the gas station CD bin yet.
This sojourn up north might help him tighten up some of the loose shit. Bread and butter rugby.
He has been carrying and tackling with prejudice. Great to see.
Himself and Rieko don’t work as a combo though. Don’t want to see it anymore.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
WTF is happening in this thread? @cgrant we tried him at 15, it wasn't great. @SBW1 you want to change him to a third position, when he's never been a very composed player and his boot isn't highly accurate in the field of play.
Yeah the ‘he has to play he’s a Barrett’ argument is getting ridiculous.
He’s already played 10 briefly, let’s have a fresh start in 2025 and put him at halfback. His height will be a real point of difference
> Jordie really is some lump though. He doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Beaudy in the gas station CD bin yet.
This sojourn up north might help him tighten up some of the loose shit. Bread and butter rugby.
He has been carrying and tackling with prejudice. Great to see.
Himself and Rieko don’t work as a combo though. Don’t want to see it anymore.
He’s very tall which by default makes him heavy. Let’s not pretend he’s some unstoppable machine though.
Many other midfielders edge him in terms of power to weight
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant do you think Razor will drop a Barrett?
No, but JB could take the 15 jersey. He was very good at fullback for Leinster vs Clermont in every aspect of this position.
They already have their Sexton replacement too.
That Sam Prendergast is absolutely mustard and better than any 10 we have knocking around on our shores. The way he takes it to the line is a joy to watch. He's not particularly fast and not obviously strong but he has an eternity on the ball.
He is better than the current iteration of Barrett and McKenzie already.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant do you think Razor will drop a Barrett?
No, but JB could take the 15 jersey. He was very good at fullback for Leinster vs Clermont in every aspect of this position.
They already have their Sexton replacement too.
That Sam Prendergast is absolutely mustard and better than any 10 we have knocking around on our shores. The way he takes it to the line is a joy to watch. He's not particularly fast and not obviously strong but he has an eternity on the ball.
He is better than the current iteration of Barrett and McKenzie already.
The difference is NZ has a lot of quality talent coming through in the forwards (Sititi, Lakai, Va'ai, Numia, Tosi, Holland etc..), Ireland is struggling to replace the old guard who are busted flushes.
Beating Ireland shouldn't be used as a measuring stick, Argentina almost pipped them at home, Ireland were absolutely woeful against them and Australia.
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@taniwharugby Chay Fihaki?
@Higgins aint one yet...but I give you BB, JB, AS, SC, SR
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
I not huge fan of Razor or otherwise, he's got the job (like Foster before) so has my complete support. The one thing I will say about his so called sticking with old players, I would of picked both Cane and TJ myself, this crap about just building for WCs, I personally disagree with.
but it wasn't just that for WC-building, but beyond this year! And Cane came back from Japan so really got a special gold card entry into the team! Were the Cane and TJP picks the best for this year, looking back? Sounds like the beginning of a hotly contested Fern thread. But they certainly are not helping 2025 All Blacks..
I think Cane especially was like Henry bringing the Suitcase back into the team as much for his value off the field. But, Cane actually did a fairly decent job on the field this year if anti-Cane blinkers are removed.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
I think Cane especially was like Henry bringing the Suitcase back into the team as much for his value off the field. But, Cane actually did a fairly decent job on the field this year if anti-Cane blinkers are removed.
Seemed slow against Australia to me but played well against others, like Ireland. Perhaps a compliment to Australia's loosies.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant do you think Razor will drop a Barrett?
No, but JB could take the 15 jersey. He was very good at fullback for Leinster vs Clermont in every aspect of this position.
They already have their Sexton replacement too.
That Sam Prendergast is absolutely mustard and better than any 10 we have knocking around on our shores. The way he takes it to the line is a joy to watch. He's not particularly fast and not obviously strong but he has an eternity on the ball.
He is better than the current iteration of Barrett and McKenzie already.
The difference is NZ has a lot of quality talent coming through in the forwards (Sititi, Lakai, Va'ai, Numia, Tosi, Holland etc..), Ireland is struggling to replace the old guard who are busted flushes.
Beating Ireland shouldn't be used as a measuring stick, Argentina almost pipped them at home, Ireland were absolutely woeful against them and Australia.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant do you think Razor will drop a Barrett?
No, but JB could take the 15 jersey. He was very good at fullback for Leinster vs Clermont in every aspect of this position.
They already have their Sexton replacement too.
That Sam Prendergast is absolutely mustard and better than any 10 we have knocking around on our shores. The way he takes it to the line is a joy to watch. He's not particularly fast and not obviously strong but he has an eternity on the ball.
He is better than the current iteration of Barrett and McKenzie already.
The difference is NZ has a lot of quality talent coming through in the forwards (Sititi, Lakai, Va'ai, Numia, Tosi, Holland etc..), Ireland is struggling to replace the old guard who are busted flushes.
Beating Ireland shouldn't be used as a measuring stick, Argentina almost pipped them at home, Ireland were absolutely woeful against them and Australia.
Ireland have found a generational 10 now though during/since the A.I's. One we didnt face.
Crowley, Byrne and Frawley wont get a look in anymore.
This Prendergast lad is legit.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
WTF is happening in this thread? @cgrant we tried him at 15, it wasn't great. @SBW1 you want to change him to a third position, when he's never been a very composed player and his boot isn't highly accurate in the field of play.
Yeah the ‘he has to play he’s a Barrett’ argument is getting ridiculous.
He’s already played 10 briefly, let’s have a fresh start in 2025 and put him at halfback. His height will be a real point of difference
> Jordie really is some lump though. He doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Beaudy in the gas station CD bin yet.
This sojourn up north might help him tighten up some of the loose shit. Bread and butter rugby.
He has been carrying and tackling with prejudice. Great to see.
Himself and Rieko don’t work as a combo though. Don’t want to see it anymore.
He’s very tall which by default makes him heavy. Let’s not pretend he’s some unstoppable machine though.
Many other midfielders edge him in terms of power to weight
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
WTF is happening in this thread? @cgrant we tried him at 15, it wasn't great. @SBW1 you want to change him to a third position, when he's never been a very composed player and his boot isn't highly accurate in the field of play.
Yeah the ‘he has to play he’s a Barrett’ argument is getting ridiculous.
He’s already played 10 briefly, let’s have a fresh start in 2025 and put him at halfback. His height will be a real point of difference
> Jordie really is some lump though. He doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Beaudy in the gas station CD bin yet.
This sojourn up north might help him tighten up some of the loose shit. Bread and butter rugby.
He has been carrying and tackling with prejudice. Great to see.
Himself and Rieko don’t work as a combo though. Don’t want to see it anymore.
He’s very tall which by default makes him heavy. Let’s not pretend he’s some unstoppable machine though.
Many other midfielders edge him in terms of power to weight
He is throwing his weight around plenty up north in his two games so far. Its noticeable.
Probably havnt given him too much instructions to overload him. He is carrying and tackling hard.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
WTF is happening in this thread? @cgrant we tried him at 15, it wasn't great. @SBW1 you want to change him to a third position, when he's never been a very composed player and his boot isn't highly accurate in the field of play.
Yeah the ‘he has to play he’s a Barrett’ argument is getting ridiculous.
He’s already played 10 briefly, let’s have a fresh start in 2025 and put him at halfback. His height will be a real point of difference
> Jordie really is some lump though. He doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Beaudy in the gas station CD bin yet.
This sojourn up north might help him tighten up some of the loose shit. Bread and butter rugby.
He has been carrying and tackling with prejudice. Great to see.
Himself and Rieko don’t work as a combo though. Don’t want to see it anymore.
He’s very tall which by default makes him heavy. Let’s not pretend he’s some unstoppable machine though.
Many other midfielders edge him in terms of power to weight
He is throwing his weight around plenty up north in his two games so far. Its noticeable.
Probably havnt given him too much instructions to overload him. He is carrying and tackling hard.
@Jet I think NH teams tend to use 12s more direct like that, while we, post Nonu want a creative 12, despite having JB, but when we had Laumape, we used others to play like him, but not him.
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@Jet I think NH teams tend to use 12s more direct like that, while we, post Nonu want a creative 12, despite having JB, but when we had Laumape, we used others to play like him, but not him.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet I think NH teams tend to use 12s more direct like that, while we, post Nonu want a creative 12, despite having JB, but when we had Laumape, we used others to play like him, but not him.
He played 15 yesterday.
