All Blacks 2025
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
Lol a winger that was left completely in no man’s land defensively on numerous occasions in the NPC this year has a lot to fix if this is to become true.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
Lol a winger that was left completely in no man’s land defensively on numerous occasions in the NPC this year has a lot to fix if this is to become true.
Because Mark Tele'a is famed for his defence... As has been pointed out above, he possesses unique physical abilities, and it feels like a while since we've had a winger shoot through.
Even ENS is 25, which is quite old for a winger who has never played for the ABs.
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Went digging into the dark Web and found Devlin's new podcast and an interview with Fozzie and he mentioned a name from the past who is at the Verblitz being Tiaan Falcon ...
... not saying he is AB level, but he was, in my opinion, at Perofeta level.
We're all woe is us about Plummer ... felt he had more to give than Harry IMO.
Saucy young fulla ...
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Went digging into the dark Web and found Devlin's new podcast and an interview with Fozzie and he mentioned a name from the past who is at the Verblitz being Tiaan Falcon ...
... not saying he is AB level, but he was, in my opinion, at Perofeta level.
We're all woe is us about Plummer ... felt he had more to give than Harry IMO.
Saucy young fulla ...
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
Went digging into the dark Web and found Devlin's new podcast and an interview with Fozzie and he mentioned a name from the past who is at the Verblitz being Tiaan Falcon ...
... not saying he is AB level, but he was, in my opinion, at Perofeta level.
We're all woe is us about Plummer ... felt he had more to give than Harry IMO.
Saucy young fulla ...
He must have been bloody impressive in those 4 Super Rugby games he played.
He's like Kaleb Trask. All hype but yet to see what it's all about.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
Went digging into the dark Web and found Devlin's new podcast and an interview with Fozzie and he mentioned a name from the past who is at the Verblitz being Tiaan Falcon ...
... not saying he is AB level, but he was, in my opinion, at Perofeta level.
We're all woe is us about Plummer ... felt he had more to give than Harry IMO.
Saucy young fulla ...
He must have been bloody impressive in those 4 Super Rugby games he played.
He's like Kaleb Trask. All hype but yet to see what it's all about.
@African-Monkey yeah blink and you miss it right, no idea how you could form the idea he excels at SR let alone deem him good enough for the ABs.
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@African-Monkey yeah blink and you miss it right, no idea how you could form the idea he excels at SR let alone deem him good enough for the ABs.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey yeah blink and you miss it right, no idea how you could form the idea he excels at SR let alone deem him good enough for the ABs.
And say that he's on par, if not better than 2 guys who have played SR for 6-8 seasons, won NPC and SR titles and represented the ABs.
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Ok. I'm wrong. Again. Just felt he is indicative of a level of player we should try and retain. And at that time was on a level with Perofeta.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
Ok. I'm wrong. Again. Just felt he is indicative of a level of player we should try and retain. And at that time was on a level with Perofeta.
Just struggling to see what you could be referencing, off 4 games over 2 years? Any level of player we should probably try and retain, but wouldn't he be close to eligible for Japan by now if he was any good?
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Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
How old is Leroy Carter ?
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
How old is Leroy Carter ?
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
How old is Leroy Carter ?
Older than you think. Now 25, the same age as Naholo.
As to others, Macca Springer is halfway there right?
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
How old is Leroy Carter ?
Older than you think. Now 25, the same age as Naholo.
As to others, Macca Springer is halfway there right?
Springer is the other young one who springs to mind.
I guess what I am getting at, is throughout history, the ABs have had wingers just burst through, and generally they are u25...
Age of Recent Debut ABs Outsides:
Love - 23
Stevenson - 26 (Player 1 Test)
Narawa - 24
Tele'a - 25
Fainga'anuku - 22
Jordan - 22
Clarke - 21
Reece - 22
Bridge - 23
Duffie - 27 (Played 2 Games)
Ioane - 19
Milner-Skudder - 24
Naholo - 24
Halai - 25 (Played 1 Test)
Piatau - 22
Savea - 21There is the odd exception, namely Tele'a who was a month off 26, but looking at the current guys seen as the next cabs, and it is an intriguing list:
NZ XV Squad:
Kini Naholo - 25
Emoni Narawa - 25
Chay Fihaki - 23
Shaun Stevenson - 27Three guys there, who are getting to the point where they are too old to have a career as an ABs outside, and someone who to this point looks nowhere near ABs quality.
Those spoken about past this group:
Etene Nanai-Seturo - 25
Timoci Tavatavanawai - 26
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens - 23Looking at this landscape, and factoring in historic trends, I kind of expect a winger to bolt into the ABs next year, and to me Tangitau is the obvious one, though Springer not far behind. Kade Banks is the other one I look at. Other possibility would be someone like Xavi Taele getting an extended run on the wing in a strong Blues side...
But the current ABs squad is short of a winger (Reece), and looking at age profiles and trends, I would expect Tele'a to fall off a cliff by the end of the year. New young winger needed, because outside of JRK and Fihaki, all of the other players on the fringe will theoretically be past their best by the 2027 RWC.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
How old is Leroy Carter ?
Older than you think. Now 25, the same age as Naholo.
As to others, Macca Springer is halfway there right?
Springer is the other young one who springs to mind.
I guess what I am getting at, is throughout history, the ABs have had wingers just burst through, and generally they are u25...
Age of Recent Debut ABs Outsides:
Love - 23
Stevenson - 26 (Player 1 Test)
Narawa - 24
Tele'a - 25
Fainga'anuku - 22
Jordan - 22
Clarke - 21
Reece - 22
Bridge - 23
Duffie - 27 (Played 2 Games)
Ioane - 19
Milner-Skudder - 24
Naholo - 24
Halai - 25 (Played 1 Test)
Piatau - 22
Savea - 21There is the odd exception, namely Tele'a who was a month off 26, but looking at the current guys seen as the next cabs, and it is an intriguing list:
NZ XV Squad:
Kini Naholo - 25
Emoni Narawa - 25
Chay Fihaki - 23
Shaun Stevenson - 27Three guys there, who are getting to the point where they are too old to have a career as an ABs outside, and someone who to this point looks nowhere near ABs quality.
Those spoken about past this group:
Etene Nanai-Seturo - 25
Timoci Tavatavanawai - 26
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens - 23Looking at this landscape, and factoring in historic trends, I kind of expect a winger to bolt into the ABs next year, and to me Tangitau is the obvious one, though Springer not far behind. Kade Banks is the other one I look at. Other possibility would be someone like Xavi Taele getting an extended run on the wing in a strong Blues side...
But the current ABs squad is short of a winger (Reece), and looking at age profiles and trends, I would expect Tele'a to fall off a cliff by the end of the year. New young winger needed, because outside of JRK and Fihaki, all of the other players on the fringe will theoretically be past their best by the 2027 RWC.
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I think Tangitau needs to worry about getting into the Landers 23 first before we even mention him as a contender. Julian Savea was a school boy / under 20 super star and he only made his AB debut at 21, Tangitau is no way near that and he hasn't even played Super yet.
With so many other contenders in the outsides, he's going to have to play one of the best seasons we've ever seen from a rookie to even get a look in. Just can't see it happening, especially because he didn't set the NPC a light either.
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I think Tangitau needs to worry about getting into the Landers 23 first before we even mention him as a contender. Julian Savea was a school boy / under 20 super star and he only made his AB debut at 21, Tangitau is no way near that and he hasn't even played Super yet.
With so many other contenders in the outsides, he's going to have to play one of the best seasons we've ever seen from a rookie to even get a look in. Just can't see it happening, especially because he didn't set the NPC a light either.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I think Tangitau needs to worry about getting into the Landers 23 first before we even mention him as a contender. Julian Savea was a school boy / under 20 super star and he only made his AB debut at 21, Tangitau is no way near that and he hasn't even played Super yet.
With so many other contenders in the outsides, he's going to have to play one of the best seasons we've ever seen from a rookie to even get a look in. Just can't see it happening, especially because he didn't set the NPC a light either.
Think you are forgetting Tangitau was equally a hyped school boy and U20 Star... his progress his been slightly stunted by going to 7s for a year, and the sheer talent ahead of him in the pecking order.
Wasn't perfect in shit Auckland team, but lets see. As I mention, I'm tipping him as a bolter, so obviously he is going to need to have a great season, but I think it is eminently possible then your making it out to be.
We aren't talking about a Mosese Dawai or a Ngane Punivai. He could turn out to be the next Tevita Li, but playing the law of averages, NZR is due a winger flying through from nowhere.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
How old is Leroy Carter ?
Older than you think. Now 25, the same age as Naholo.
As to others, Macca Springer is halfway there right?
Springer is the other young one who springs to mind.
I guess what I am getting at, is throughout history, the ABs have had wingers just burst through, and generally they are u25...
Age of Recent Debut ABs Outsides:
Love - 23
Stevenson - 26 (Player 1 Test)
Narawa - 24
Tele'a - 25
Fainga'anuku - 22
Jordan - 22
Clarke - 21
Reece - 22
Bridge - 23
Duffie - 27 (Played 2 Games)
Ioane - 19
Milner-Skudder - 24
Naholo - 24
Halai - 25 (Played 1 Test)
Piatau - 22
Savea - 21There is the odd exception, namely Tele'a who was a month off 26, but looking at the current guys seen as the next cabs, and it is an intriguing list:
NZ XV Squad:
Kini Naholo - 25
Emoni Narawa - 25
Chay Fihaki - 23
Shaun Stevenson - 27Three guys there, who are getting to the point where they are too old to have a career as an ABs outside, and someone who to this point looks nowhere near ABs quality.
Those spoken about past this group:
Etene Nanai-Seturo - 25
Timoci Tavatavanawai - 26
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens - 23Looking at this landscape, and factoring in historic trends, I kind of expect a winger to bolt into the ABs next year, and to me Tangitau is the obvious one, though Springer not far behind. Kade Banks is the other one I look at. Other possibility would be someone like Xavi Taele getting an extended run on the wing in a strong Blues side...
But the current ABs squad is short of a winger (Reece), and looking at age profiles and trends, I would expect Tele'a to fall off a cliff by the end of the year. New young winger needed, because outside of JRK and Fihaki, all of the other players on the fringe will theoretically be past their best by the 2027 RWC.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
How old is Leroy Carter ?
Older than you think. Now 25, the same age as Naholo.
As to others, Macca Springer is halfway there right?
Springer is the other young one who springs to mind.
I guess what I am getting at, is throughout history, the ABs have had wingers just burst through, and generally they are u25...
Age of Recent Debut ABs Outsides:
Love - 23
Stevenson - 26 (Player 1 Test)
Narawa - 24
Tele'a - 25
Fainga'anuku - 22
Jordan - 22
Clarke - 21
Reece - 22
Bridge - 23
Duffie - 27 (Played 2 Games)
Ioane - 19
Milner-Skudder - 24
Naholo - 24
Halai - 25 (Played 1 Test)
Piatau - 22
Savea - 21There is the odd exception, namely Tele'a who was a month off 26, but looking at the current guys seen as the next cabs, and it is an intriguing list:
NZ XV Squad:
Kini Naholo - 25
Emoni Narawa - 25
Chay Fihaki - 23
Shaun Stevenson - 27Three guys there, who are getting to the point where they are too old to have a career as an ABs outside, and someone who to this point looks nowhere near ABs quality.
Those spoken about past this group:
Etene Nanai-Seturo - 25
Timoci Tavatavanawai - 26
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens - 23Looking at this landscape, and factoring in historic trends, I kind of expect a winger to bolt into the ABs next year, and to me Tangitau is the obvious one, though Springer not far behind. Kade Banks is the other one I look at. Other possibility would be someone like Xavi Taele getting an extended run on the wing in a strong Blues side...
But the current ABs squad is short of a winger (Reece), and looking at age profiles and trends, I would expect Tele'a to fall off a cliff by the end of the year. New young winger needed, because outside of JRK and Fihaki, all of the other players on the fringe will theoretically be past their best by the 2027 RWC.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Tele'a
but it is generally speed the wingers lose, right? And he doesn't have that much speed to lose..
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Tele'a
but it is generally speed the wingers lose, right? And he doesn't have that much speed to lose..
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Tele'a
but it is generally speed the wingers lose, right? And he doesn't have that much speed to lose..
Like NMS...
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I think Tangitau needs to worry about getting into the Landers 23 first before we even mention him as a contender. Julian Savea was a school boy / under 20 super star and he only made his AB debut at 21, Tangitau is no way near that and he hasn't even played Super yet.
With so many other contenders in the outsides, he's going to have to play one of the best seasons we've ever seen from a rookie to even get a look in. Just can't see it happening, especially because he didn't set the NPC a light either.
Think you are forgetting Tangitau was equally a hyped school boy and U20 Star... his progress his been slightly stunted by going to 7s for a year, and the sheer talent ahead of him in the pecking order.
Wasn't perfect in shit Auckland team, but lets see. As I mention, I'm tipping him as a bolter, so obviously he is going to need to have a great season, but I think it is eminently possible then your making it out to be.
We aren't talking about a Mosese Dawai or a Ngane Punivai. He could turn out to be the next Tevita Li, but playing the law of averages, NZR is due a winger flying through from nowhere.
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@frugby The other wingers from the last few NZ under 20s squads have hardly set the world on fire either :
Macca Springer
Nik Vikena - moved to Sydney
Codey Vai - 7s
Stanley Solomon
Isaac Hutchinson
Frank Vaenuku
