All Blacks 2025
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@Bovidae I know you follow schools rugby a bit , anyone from this years team that might possibly become a star in the next couple of years at super level?
We should look at the 2023 NZS squad first. The starters were Kiseki Fifita and Tevita Naufahu. Fifita won't be seen for a couple of years (LDS mission). Frank Vaenuku was a reserve but made the NZ U20s ahead of the other two. It appears that Naufahu has gone to the Dolphins.
Other players I saw were Nathan Salmon, Dan Maisiri and Luca Fuller. Not forgetting Kyan Rangitutia. Most of these are young enough to still be involved in the SR U20s next year, which should indicate which players have made the next step.
From the 2024 cohort. Both starting wingers for NZS (Siale Pahulu and Ollie Guerin) are centres for their schools and only Y12. Some other outside backs who played for either the NZS, NZ Barbarian U18s or Māori U18s are Peni Havea, Wiremu Brailey and David Lewai.
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@frugby The other wingers from the last few NZ under 20s squads have hardly set the world on fire either :
Macca Springer
Nik Vikena - moved to Sydney
Codey Vai - 7s
Stanley Solomon
Isaac Hutchinson
Frank Vaenuku@Kiwidom said in All Blacks 2025:
Stanley Solomon
Not sure if he'll ever make Super, he's far too small. His game would be better suited to Sevens.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I think Tangitau needs to worry about getting into the Landers 23 first before we even mention him as a contender. Julian Savea was a school boy / under 20 super star and he only made his AB debut at 21, Tangitau is no way near that and he hasn't even played Super yet.
With so many other contenders in the outsides, he's going to have to play one of the best seasons we've ever seen from a rookie to even get a look in. Just can't see it happening, especially because he didn't set the NPC a light either.
Think you are forgetting Tangitau was equally a hyped school boy and U20 Star... his progress his been slightly stunted by going to 7s for a year, and the sheer talent ahead of him in the pecking order.
Wasn't perfect in shit Auckland team, but lets see. As I mention, I'm tipping him as a bolter, so obviously he is going to need to have a great season, but I think it is eminently possible then your making it out to be.
We aren't talking about a Mosese Dawai or a Ngane Punivai. He could turn out to be the next Tevita Li, but playing the law of averages, NZR is due a winger flying through from nowhere.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I think Tangitau needs to worry about getting into the Landers 23 first before we even mention him as a contender. Julian Savea was a school boy / under 20 super star and he only made his AB debut at 21, Tangitau is no way near that and he hasn't even played Super yet.
With so many other contenders in the outsides, he's going to have to play one of the best seasons we've ever seen from a rookie to even get a look in. Just can't see it happening, especially because he didn't set the NPC a light either.
Think you are forgetting Tangitau was equally a hyped school boy and U20 Star... his progress his been slightly stunted by going to 7s for a year, and the sheer talent ahead of him in the pecking order.
Wasn't perfect in shit Auckland team, but lets see. As I mention, I'm tipping him as a bolter, so obviously he is going to need to have a great season, but I think it is eminently possible then your making it out to be.
We aren't talking about a Mosese Dawai or a Ngane Punivai. He could turn out to be the next Tevita Li, but playing the law of averages, NZR is due a winger flying through from nowhere.
Equally as hyped as Julian Savea? You’re kidding yourself. Savea was destroying people at age grade level and was touted as the biggest thing since Jonah. There was huge anticipation for him to make his Super debut but like @KiwiMurph he probably didn’t settle into that level of rugby until about 2012.
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@frugby The other wingers from the last few NZ under 20s squads have hardly set the world on fire either :
Macca Springer
Nik Vikena - moved to Sydney
Codey Vai - 7s
Stanley Solomon
Isaac Hutchinson
Frank Vaenuku@Kiwidom said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby The other wingers from the last few NZ under 20s squads have hardly set the world on fire either :
Macca Springer
Nik Vikena - moved to Sydney
Codey Vai - 7s
Stanley Solomon
Isaac Hutchinson
Frank VaenukuAll these guys are way too young to be writing off yet
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The people on here who were calling Jordie average and not in the league of Kriel / De Allende or other top centres need to watch Leinster's last few games since Jordie became available, 3 MOTM worthy performances in a row.... anyone who thinks Jordie isn't a top 3 centre in the world must be kidding themselves.
Maybe just maybe.... it's our coaches (ie Jason Holland) who aren't utilizing him as well as we could be, just look at recently how Jordie was praising Leinster and 2024 Hurricanes attack coach Tyler Blyeendal for his coaching & influence on his game.
The All Black's current problems are not cattle-related, we just have poor technical coaches and are really missing a Tony Brown / Wayne Smith / Joe Schmidt, etc...or even just a Nick Evans or Blyeendaal creative influence in the coaching group.
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The people on here who were calling Jordie average and not in the league of Kriel / De Allende or other top centres need to watch Leinster's last few games since Jordie became available, 3 MOTM worthy performances in a row.... anyone who thinks Jordie isn't a top 3 centre in the world must be kidding themselves.
Maybe just maybe.... it's our coaches (ie Jason Holland) who aren't utilizing him as well as we could be, just look at recently how Jordie was praising Leinster and 2024 Hurricanes attack coach Tyler Blyeendal for his coaching & influence on his game.
The All Black's current problems are not cattle-related, we just have poor technical coaches and are really missing a Tony Brown / Wayne Smith / Joe Schmidt, etc...or even just a Nick Evans or Blyeendaal creative influence in the coaching group.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
The people on here who were calling Jordie average and not in the league of Kriel / De Allende or other top centres need to watch Leinster's last few games since Jordie became available, 3 MOTM worthy performances in a row.... anyone who thinks Jordie isn't a top 3 centre in the world must be kidding themselves.
Maybe just maybe.... it's our coaches (ie Jason Holland) who aren't utilizing him as well as we could be, just look at recently how Jordie was praising Leinster and 2024 Hurricanes attack coach Tyler Blyeendal for his coaching & influence on his game.
The All Black's current problems are not cattle-related, we just have poor technical coaches and are really missing a Tony Brown / Wayne Smith / Joe Schmidt, etc...or even just a Nick Evans or Blyeendaal creative influence in the coaching group.
I watched a bit of that game and it’s no wonder Jordie dominated. I just don’t think that rugby is as high as Super (at the highest level). Jordie didn’t dominate this year because he was up against better competition. Even when the Canes were hot Jordie didn’t have the impact you’d think he would for a player of his calibre. Maybe he’s in form now or maybe the competition over there is a little easier. It’s laughable that Northern fans think Super is a weak competition when a player who hardly performed goes over there and dominates.
Can’t wait until the World Club comp when our teams dominate the North.
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The people on here who were calling Jordie average and not in the league of Kriel / De Allende or other top centres need to watch Leinster's last few games since Jordie became available, 3 MOTM worthy performances in a row.... anyone who thinks Jordie isn't a top 3 centre in the world must be kidding themselves.
Maybe just maybe.... it's our coaches (ie Jason Holland) who aren't utilizing him as well as we could be, just look at recently how Jordie was praising Leinster and 2024 Hurricanes attack coach Tyler Blyeendal for his coaching & influence on his game.
The All Black's current problems are not cattle-related, we just have poor technical coaches and are really missing a Tony Brown / Wayne Smith / Joe Schmidt, etc...or even just a Nick Evans or Blyeendaal creative influence in the coaching group.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
The people on here who were calling Jordie average and not in the league of Kriel / De Allende or other top centres need to watch Leinster's last few games since Jordie became available, 3 MOTM worthy performances in a row.... anyone who thinks Jordie isn't a top 3 centre in the world must be kidding themselves.
Maybe just maybe.... it's our coaches (ie Jason Holland) who aren't utilizing him as well as we could be, just look at recently how Jordie was praising Leinster and 2024 Hurricanes attack coach Tyler Blyeendal for his coaching & influence on his game.
The All Black's current problems are not cattle-related, we just have poor technical coaches and are really missing a Tony Brown / Wayne Smith / Joe Schmidt, etc...or even just a Nick Evans or Blyeendaal creative influence in the coaching group.
This isn’t quite ‘David Havilli will make a great back up 10 based on Super rugby form’ level crazy talk but it’s certainly up there
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
The people on here who were calling Jordie average and not in the league of Kriel / De Allende or other top centres need to watch Leinster's last few games since Jordie became available, 3 MOTM worthy performances in a row.... anyone who thinks Jordie isn't a top 3 centre in the world must be kidding themselves.
Maybe just maybe.... it's our coaches (ie Jason Holland) who aren't utilizing him as well as we could be, just look at recently how Jordie was praising Leinster and 2024 Hurricanes attack coach Tyler Blyeendal for his coaching & influence on his game.
The All Black's current problems are not cattle-related, we just have poor technical coaches and are really missing a Tony Brown / Wayne Smith / Joe Schmidt, etc...or even just a Nick Evans or Blyeendaal creative influence in the coaching group.
I watched a bit of that game and it’s no wonder Jordie dominated. I just don’t think that rugby is as high as Super (at the highest level). Jordie didn’t dominate this year because he was up against better competition. Even when the Canes were hot Jordie didn’t have the impact you’d think he would for a player of his calibre. Maybe he’s in form now or maybe the competition over there is a little easier. It’s laughable that Northern fans think Super is a weak competition when a player who hardly performed goes over there and dominates.
Can’t wait until the World Club comp when our teams dominate the North.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
The people on here who were calling Jordie average and not in the league of Kriel / De Allende or other top centres need to watch Leinster's last few games since Jordie became available, 3 MOTM worthy performances in a row.... anyone who thinks Jordie isn't a top 3 centre in the world must be kidding themselves.
Maybe just maybe.... it's our coaches (ie Jason Holland) who aren't utilizing him as well as we could be, just look at recently how Jordie was praising Leinster and 2024 Hurricanes attack coach Tyler Blyeendal for his coaching & influence on his game.
The All Black's current problems are not cattle-related, we just have poor technical coaches and are really missing a Tony Brown / Wayne Smith / Joe Schmidt, etc...or even just a Nick Evans or Blyeendaal creative influence in the coaching group.
I watched a bit of that game and it’s no wonder Jordie dominated. I just don’t think that rugby is as high as Super (at the highest level). Jordie didn’t dominate this year because he was up against better competition. Even when the Canes were hot Jordie didn’t have the impact you’d think he would for a player of his calibre. Maybe he’s in form now or maybe the competition over there is a little easier. It’s laughable that Northern fans think Super is a weak competition when a player who hardly performed goes over there and dominates.
Can’t wait until the World Club comp when our teams dominate the North.
The double standards on here are incredible.
If anything you just backed up my statement & despite having seemingly the best cattle in the world we managed to choke 4 very winnable tests in 2024 due to inadequate coaching staff.
Usually you people are using the 'perceived' poor strength of Super Rugby to excuse the All Black coaches and ironically this post implies our players in Super are the best in the world and therefore have no excuses for losing to SA twice (who's franchises are currently wallowing at the bottom of the URC table......)
And a NZ side just took out another World Schools Champs yesterday beating those supposed heavyweight SA schools.
This narrative that our losses to SA and France and the 3 extremely poor and lucky victories over a terrible England side were excusable because... uh...Mo'unga not here?
I'm tired of the amount of apologism on here.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
The people on here who were calling Jordie average and not in the league of Kriel / De Allende or other top centres need to watch Leinster's last few games since Jordie became available, 3 MOTM worthy performances in a row.... anyone who thinks Jordie isn't a top 3 centre in the world must be kidding themselves.
Maybe just maybe.... it's our coaches (ie Jason Holland) who aren't utilizing him as well as we could be, just look at recently how Jordie was praising Leinster and 2024 Hurricanes attack coach Tyler Blyeendal for his coaching & influence on his game.
The All Black's current problems are not cattle-related, we just have poor technical coaches and are really missing a Tony Brown / Wayne Smith / Joe Schmidt, etc...or even just a Nick Evans or Blyeendaal creative influence in the coaching group.
I watched a bit of that game and it’s no wonder Jordie dominated. I just don’t think that rugby is as high as Super (at the highest level). Jordie didn’t dominate this year because he was up against better competition. Even when the Canes were hot Jordie didn’t have the impact you’d think he would for a player of his calibre. Maybe he’s in form now or maybe the competition over there is a little easier. It’s laughable that Northern fans think Super is a weak competition when a player who hardly performed goes over there and dominates.
Can’t wait until the World Club comp when our teams dominate the North.
The double standards on here are incredible.
If anything you just backed up my statement & despite having seemingly the best cattle in the world we managed to choke 4 very winnable tests in 2024 due to inadequate coaching staff.
Usually you people are using the 'perceived' poor strength of Super Rugby to excuse the All Black coaches and ironically this post implies our players in Super are the best in the world and therefore have no excuses for losing to SA twice (who's franchises are currently wallowing at the bottom of the URC table......)
And a NZ side just took out another World Schools Champs yesterday beating those supposed heavyweight SA schools.
This narrative that our losses to SA and France and the 3 extremely poor and lucky victories over a terrible England side were excusable because... uh...Mo'unga not here?
I'm tired of the amount of apologism on here.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
And a NZ side just took out another World Schools Champs yesterday beating those supposed heavyweight SA schools.
yeah but to put that in perspective the SA team they beat in the final Paul Roos Gymnasium were missing a number of their star players.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
And a NZ side just took out another World Schools Champs yesterday beating those supposed heavyweight SA schools.
yeah but to put that in perspective the SA team they beat in the final Paul Roos Gymnasium were missing a number of their star players.
@Chris South Africa U20's finished 8th, 7th, 4th, 5th, in the last 4 World Champs, heck even Arg and Australia have been doing a lot better at U20 level since 2019. And the South Africa franchises are currently getting reamed in the European Champions Cup and URC comps....
You people with this mindset there's 'no shame in losing to SA' are part of the problem. They're not the fearsome opponent you believe they are. The SA franchise overall had a lower win % in all Super Rugby matches going back to 1996 than Australian teams overall and only won 3 titles in 26 years.
You people have convinced yourself that they're worthy of so much respect, in reality, they're extremely overrated.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
The people on here who were calling Jordie average and not in the league of Kriel / De Allende or other top centres need to watch Leinster's last few games since Jordie became available, 3 MOTM worthy performances in a row.... anyone who thinks Jordie isn't a top 3 centre in the world must be kidding themselves.
Maybe just maybe.... it's our coaches (ie Jason Holland) who aren't utilizing him as well as we could be, just look at recently how Jordie was praising Leinster and 2024 Hurricanes attack coach Tyler Blyeendal for his coaching & influence on his game.
The All Black's current problems are not cattle-related, we just have poor technical coaches and are really missing a Tony Brown / Wayne Smith / Joe Schmidt, etc...or even just a Nick Evans or Blyeendaal creative influence in the coaching group.
I watched a bit of that game and it’s no wonder Jordie dominated. I just don’t think that rugby is as high as Super (at the highest level). Jordie didn’t dominate this year because he was up against better competition. Even when the Canes were hot Jordie didn’t have the impact you’d think he would for a player of his calibre. Maybe he’s in form now or maybe the competition over there is a little easier. It’s laughable that Northern fans think Super is a weak competition when a player who hardly performed goes over there and dominates.
Can’t wait until the World Club comp when our teams dominate the North.
The double standards on here are incredible.
If anything you just backed up my statement & despite having seemingly the best cattle in the world we managed to choke 4 very winnable tests in 2024 due to inadequate coaching staff.
Usually you people are using the 'perceived' poor strength of Super Rugby to excuse the All Black coaches and ironically this post implies our players in Super are the best in the world and therefore have no excuses for losing to SA twice (who's franchises are currently wallowing at the bottom of the URC table......)
And a NZ side just took out another World Schools Champs yesterday beating those supposed heavyweight SA schools.
This narrative that our losses to SA and France and the 3 extremely poor and lucky victories over a terrible England side were excusable because... uh...Mo'unga not here?
I'm tired of the amount of apologism on here.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
This narrative that our losses to SA and France and the 3 extremely poor and lucky victories over a terrible England side
You don't get it with ways.
In Didn't Happen World they were either all loseable or all winable. As it happened, 3 were lost, and 3 were won.
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@Chris South Africa U20's finished 8th, 7th, 4th, 5th, in the last 4 World Champs, heck even Arg and Australia have been doing a lot better at U20 level since 2019. And the South Africa franchises are currently getting reamed in the European Champions Cup and URC comps....
You people with this mindset there's 'no shame in losing to SA' are part of the problem. They're not the fearsome opponent you believe they are. The SA franchise overall had a lower win % in all Super Rugby matches going back to 1996 than Australian teams overall and only won 3 titles in 26 years.
You people have convinced yourself that they're worthy of so much respect, in reality, they're extremely overrated.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris South Africa U20's finished 8th, 7th, 4th, 5th, in the last 4 World Champs, heck even Arg and Australia have been doing a lot better at U20 level since 2019. And the South Africa franchises are currently getting reamed in the European Champions Cup and URC comps....
You people with this mindset there's 'no shame in losing to SA' are part of the problem. They're not the fearsome opponent you believe they are. The SA franchise overall had a lower win % in all Super Rugby matches going back to 1996 than Australian teams overall and only won 3 titles in 26 years.
You people have convinced yourself that they're worthy of so much respect, in reality, they're extremely overrated.
A lot of assumptions in your post, you don’t know what I think or feel as I have not stated anything you assume in your post.
Maybe people like you need to calm down and don’t try to force your ideas on others, and when they don’t agree with you reverting to the childish unfounded accusations in your post. -
@Bones a broad term for any homo sapiens inhabiting this forum, wouldn't want to exclude anyone lol
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Malachi Wrampling is my bolter for the All Blacks next year. Think he could be next years Sititi. Think he’ll get plenty of game time at the chiefs.
