All Blacks 2025
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor must be a bit slow
I think he'll raise it again in the next 6 months
With or without stellar play from DMac
DMac is so much better than Barrett at 10 right now it's not funny. How Beaudy is the AB starting 10 I have no idea.
There is an accepted narrative out there that beaudy is experienced and calm, and dmac is erratic ,
once people form opinions it takes a lot of convincing to change their minds
Regardless of who is the better 10, its laughable that they are both playing 15 for their clubs at this juncture.
Razor should be having a word with their respective teams.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor must be a bit slow
I think he'll raise it again in the next 6 months
With or without stellar play from DMac
DMac is so much better than Barrett at 10 right now it's not funny. How Beaudy is the AB starting 10 I have no idea.
There is an accepted narrative out there that beaudy is experienced and calm, and dmac is erratic ,
once people form opinions it takes a lot of convincing to change their minds
Regardless of who is the better 10, its laughable that they are both playing 15 for their clubs at this juncture.
Razor should be having a word with their respective teams.
McMillan said DMac is their ten. He would've been on the bench but for injuries. So he'll be ten most of the year, beaudy won't. Beaver had pointed out that beaudy looks like a fifteen playing ten, and he should know. And I hate to agree with Marshall but his point that wanting every player to be able to play multiple positions is detrimental to the player in many positions eg front row, nine, and ten
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor must be a bit slow
I think he'll raise it again in the next 6 months
With or without stellar play from DMac
DMac is so much better than Barrett at 10 right now it's not funny. How Beaudy is the AB starting 10 I have no idea.
There is an accepted narrative out there that beaudy is experienced and calm, and dmac is erratic ,
once people form opinions it takes a lot of convincing to change their minds
Regardless of who is the better 10, its laughable that they are both playing 15 for their clubs at this juncture.
Razor should be having a word with their respective teams.
McMillan said DMac is their ten. He would've been on the bench but for injuries. So he'll be ten most of the year, beaudy won't. Beaver had pointed out that beaudy looks like a fifteen playing ten, and he should know. And I hate to agree with Marshall but his point that wanting every player to be able to play multiple positions is detrimental to the player in many positions eg front row, nine, and ten
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor must be a bit slow
I think he'll raise it again in the next 6 months
With or without stellar play from DMac
DMac is so much better than Barrett at 10 right now it's not funny. How Beaudy is the AB starting 10 I have no idea.
There is an accepted narrative out there that beaudy is experienced and calm, and dmac is erratic ,
once people form opinions it takes a lot of convincing to change their minds
Regardless of who is the better 10, its laughable that they are both playing 15 for their clubs at this juncture.
Razor should be having a word with their respective teams.
McMillan said DMac is their ten. He would've been on the bench but for injuries. So he'll be ten most of the year, beaudy won't. Beaver had pointed out that beaudy looks like a fifteen playing ten, and he should know. And I hate to agree with Marshall but his point that wanting every player to be able to play multiple positions is detrimental to the player in many positions eg front row, nine, and ten
I actually think Marshall’s analysis isn’t so bad when he is away from the commentary role .
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
Look, I love Beaudy to bits, but he is not the player he was a few years ago. For me, DMac should be the locked in 10 for the ABs; he's one of the few who creates with pass and pace. Mo'unga wsa getting better, but after 4 years in the jersey you'd expect more from him. And who knows how he comes back from Japan. He never really delivered at Test level in the 10 jersey.
I've been over BB for some time and not sure Richie is/was consistently a better 10 than DMac.
I was among DMac's biggest detractors on this site and even I've come around to the firmly held belief he's matured into our best option.
Agreed.
And one of the things we need to look for this year is how well Robertson and co. develop options at 10 to back him up. Needs to look for newer talent and not harp on about RM or see BB as anything other than a short-term option.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
And one of the things we need to look for this year is how well Robertson and co. develop options at 10 to back him up. Needs to look for newer talent and not harp on about RM or see BB as anything other than a short-term option.
fair comment.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae can't we play a team more people would like to watch us play?
France would be the only other NH team because these are the other EOYT tests:
Nov 8 - Scotland
Nov 15 - England
Nov 22 - Wales -
the same places think A Savea was basically the best player in black last year. I am convinced most people don't even watch games, they just watch a few highlights and parrot talking points of 2-5 years ago.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
the same places think A Savea was basically the best player in black last year. I am convinced most people don't even watch games, they just watch a few highlights and parrot talking points of 2-5 years ago.
Probably includes the commentators and so called expert pundits...
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor must be a bit slow
I think he'll raise it again in the next 6 months
With or without stellar play from DMac
DMac is so much better than Barrett at 10 right now it's not funny. How Beaudy is the AB starting 10 I have no idea.
There is an accepted narrative out there that beaudy is experienced and calm, and dmac is erratic ,
once people form opinions it takes a lot of convincing to change their minds
Regardless of who is the better 10, its laughable that they are both playing 15 for their clubs at this juncture.
Razor should be having a word with their respective teams.
McMillan said DMac is their ten. He would've been on the bench but for injuries. So he'll be ten most of the year, beaudy won't. Beaver had pointed out that beaudy looks like a fifteen playing ten, and he should know. And I hate to agree with Marshall but his point that wanting every player to be able to play multiple positions is detrimental to the player in many positions eg front row, nine, and ten
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor must be a bit slow
I think he'll raise it again in the next 6 months
With or without stellar play from DMac
DMac is so much better than Barrett at 10 right now it's not funny. How Beaudy is the AB starting 10 I have no idea.
There is an accepted narrative out there that beaudy is experienced and calm, and dmac is erratic ,
once people form opinions it takes a lot of convincing to change their minds
Regardless of who is the better 10, its laughable that they are both playing 15 for their clubs at this juncture.
Razor should be having a word with their respective teams.
McMillan said DMac is their ten. He would've been on the bench but for injuries. So he'll be ten most of the year, beaudy won't. Beaver had pointed out that beaudy looks like a fifteen playing ten, and he should know. And I hate to agree with Marshall but his point that wanting every player to be able to play multiple positions is detrimental to the player in many positions eg front row, nine, and ten
DMac showed his class on the weekend. I expect him continue to demonstrate he is best in show at 10 in NZ right now. It is up to Razor to put him in the best position to succeed in black now, that is all on him. I want to see him change the formation and the gameplan to bring the best out of 10, 12, 13
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae can't we play a team more people would like to watch us play?
France would be the only other NH team because these are the other EOYT tests:
Nov 8 - Scotland
Nov 15 - England
Nov 22 - Wales@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae can't we play a team more people would like to watch us play?
France would be the only other NH team because these are the other EOYT tests:
Nov 8 - Scotland
Nov 15 - England
Nov 22 - WalesPffft, speak for yourself, this one will be a test for the ages
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae can't we play a team more people would like to watch us play?
France would be the only other NH team because these are the other EOYT tests:
Nov 8 - Scotland
Nov 15 - England
Nov 22 - Wales@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae can't we play a team more people would like to watch us play?
France would be the only other NH team because these are the other EOYT tests:
Nov 8 - Scotland
Nov 15 - England
Nov 22 - WalesQuasi grand slam then, get on it razor
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
IIRC the field isn't even regulation width...
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
PR speak.
I assume this would have been an Irish home game. Obviously this is all about making money, but remember NZR wanted to take one of the French home tests to the USA, and that would have been much worse.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
PR speak.
I assume this would have been an Irish home game. Obviously this is all about making money, but remember NZR wanted to take one of the French home tests to the USA, and that would have been much worse.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
PR speak.
Yep. Translated: A money making venture no fan wants.
I assume this would have been an Irish home game. Obviously this is all about making money, but remember NZR wanted to take one of the French home tests to the USA, and that would have been much worse.
That alone shows the board isn't fit for purpose.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
PR speak.
Yep. Translated: A money making venture no fan wants.
I assume this would have been an Irish home game. Obviously this is all about making money, but remember NZR wanted to take one of the French home tests to the USA, and that would have been much worse.
That alone shows the board isn't fit for purpose.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
PR speak.
Yep. Translated: A money making venture no fan wants.
I assume this would have been an Irish home game. Obviously this is all about making money, but remember NZR wanted to take one of the French home tests to the USA, and that would have been much worse.
That alone shows the board isn't fit for purpose.
Silverlake. "The prosecution rests"
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae can't we play a team more people would like to watch us play?
France would be the only other NH team because these are the other EOYT tests:
Nov 8 - Scotland
Nov 15 - England
Nov 22 - WalesPffft, speak for yourself, this one will be a test for the ages
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae can't we play a team more people would like to watch us play?
France would be the only other NH team because these are the other EOYT tests:
Nov 8 - Scotland
Nov 15 - England
Nov 22 - WalesPffft, speak for yourself, this one will be a test for the ages
fair enough, I can well imagine how watching Scotland in tests adds years to their fans...
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
Look, I love Beaudy to bits, but he is not the player he was a few years ago. For me, DMac should be the locked in 10 for the ABs; he's one of the few who creates with pass and pace. Mo'unga wsa getting better, but after 4 years in the jersey you'd expect more from him. And who knows how he comes back from Japan. He never really delivered at Test level in the 10 jersey.
I've been over BB for some time and not sure Richie is/was consistently a better 10 than DMac.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
I've been over BB for some time and not sure Richie is/was consistently a better 10 than DMac.
I see Bidwell is one of those who think Richie is indispensable.
"Any coach worth their salt should say the same, and most fans too. After all, you only had to watch Damian McKenzie playing at fly-half last year to appreciate Mo’unga’s worth."
I had a quick look back various press releases and Bidwell appears an entrenched Mo'unga fan.
I kinda think Mo'unga has played enough for us to assess his international worth, he was great under Razor in the Crusaders, less so in the ABs but other Crusaders don't seem to be a million dollars better under our current coaches than under the last team. Their gift of AB props may have improved but I don't see Crusaders newfound magic in the backs. -
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
IIRC the field isn't even regulation width...
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
IIRC the field isn't even regulation width...
It's not, which made our lock selection even more bloody ludicrous. Pat Tuipuloto and Kaino FFS. I know we were short of quality at the time, but lineout specialists should have been obvious, along with our best blindside playing at, well, blindside.
Lineouts are important enough, but with more of them and no chance to even take a quick throw because the ball is in the stands every time was just plain dumb.
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