All Blacks 2025
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@Bones it isnt like this match is taking one away from NZ....it's the Irish fans in Ireland who woudl have a right to feel aggrieved.
I dunno what the Kiwi presence is like in Chicago, but am sure, like the Irish, there will be plenty who are close enough to travel that they otherwise wont have done so?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones it isnt like this match is taking one away from NZ....it's the Irish fans in Ireland who woudl have a right to feel aggrieved.
I dunno what the Kiwi presence is like in Chicago, but am sure, like the Irish, there will be plenty who are close enough to travel that they otherwise wont have done so?
Except it is outside window, and no matches have been lost. This is an extra, so you'd hope Irish fans realise as much us - rugby is basically living beyond it's means and every penny counts. ABs have done pre tour match somewhere for years, since around 2008 with a few exceptions
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I am 100% with @antipodean on this. Playing an exhibition match against Ireland in Chicago on a field that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements is not the same as playing them in Dublin, and it's not even close. At best it massively cheapens the idea of the grand slam, but really it's better to just accept that it isn't one in the first place.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
I am 100% with @antipodean on this. Playing an exhibition match against Ireland in Chicago on a field that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements is not the same as playing them in Dublin, and it's not even close. At best it massively cheapens the idea of the grand slam, but really it's better to just accept that it isn't one in the first place.
I think you misunderstand about marketing games. Don't play the importance of games down. It's a Grand Slam attempt under the meaning of Grand Slam.
Although to me where they play it, doesn't worry me in least, I won't be at it whether it in Chicago or Ireland, it will still be on same place in my house-on the TV!! If we playing them in extra match, it should be in a place that will make us most coin!
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
I think official GS are in the home country, but we've called unofficial ones GS in the past - the 1995 GS.
I was going to ask @antipodean if the 1995 RWC counted as a GS.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
I think official GS are in the home country, but we've called unofficial ones GS in the past - the 1995 GS.
I was going to ask @antipodean if the 1995 RWC counted as a GS.
Asked and answered in All Blacks 2025:
I believe outside of tournaments that they should be held in the country of one of the participants.
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I'll only consider if it is a Grand Slam if we win the damn thing.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
the highly anticipated clash fans have been waiting for since the teams met in the United States in 2016
Guessing that means I'm not a fan. I don't give a flying fuck about fixtures in the USA.
PR speak.
Yep. Translated: A money making venture no fan wants.
I assume this would have been an Irish home game. Obviously this is all about making money, but remember NZR wanted to take one of the French home tests to the USA, and that would have been much worse.
That alone shows the board isn't fit for purpose.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Yep. Translated: A money making venture no fan wants.
I'll take it as long as they hammer the bastards.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
I am 100% with @antipodean on this. Playing an exhibition match against Ireland in Chicago on a field that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements is not the same as playing them in Dublin, and it's not even close. At best it massively cheapens the idea of the grand slam, but really it's better to just accept that it isn't one in the first place.
so, do you think Ireland felt that it didn't really count when they beat us over there for the first time? Because I'll sure as shit hold that grudge against late stage Hansen
so, do you think Ireland felt that it didn't really count when they beat us over there for the first time? Because I'll sure as shit hold that grudge against late stage Hansen
The start of the decline for me.
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This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18hWcQq5GV/@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18hWcQq5GV/How is it not? (Apart from it's not a GS until we win them all ... )
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18hWcQq5GV/How is it not? (Apart from it's not a GS until we win them all ... )
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18hWcQq5GV/How is it not? (Apart from it's not a GS until we winter all ... )
Winter is coming?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
I like this tour, unsure how this can make someone think it shouldn’t be referred to as a grand slam.
Because we're playing Ireland in the USA, not at their house. That's the only difference. And then it's perspective as to whether you think that disqualifies or not
My perspective is it does. For SH teams touring, part of the difficulty is playing those teams in front of their home grounds and I can't think of a single example in history where a SH side has claimed a Grand Slam by playing elsewhere.
Let alone on a field that isn't big enough to qualify.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
I like this tour, unsure how this can make someone think it shouldn’t be referred to as a grand slam.
Because we're playing Ireland in the USA, not at their house. That's the only difference. And then it's perspective as to whether you think that disqualifies or not
My perspective is it does. For SH teams touring, part of the difficulty is playing those teams in front of their home grounds and I can't think of a single example in history where a SH side has claimed a Grand Slam by playing elsewhere.
Let alone on a field that isn't big enough to qualify.
1995 RWC
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18hWcQq5GV/How is it not? (Apart from it's not a GS until we winter all ... )
Winter is coming?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18hWcQq5GV/How is it not? (Apart from it's not a GS until we winter all ... )
Winter is coming?
Fat fingers and autocorrect
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I think it's a bloody disgrace that we care so little about our fans and supporting countries that we can play more matches in USA than against all second tier nations combined.
So when everyone bitches about why some players not getting developed and enough opportunities this year, and why the All Black brand is going down the gurgler, just think of the Fijians, Samoans, Tongans, Japanese, Georgians and Italians who are being reminded of just how valued they are.
Who is making all these decisions???@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
I think it's a bloody disgrace that we care so little about our fans and supporting countries that we can play more matches in USA than against all second tier nations combined.
So when everyone bitches about why some players not getting developed and enough opportunities this year, and why the All Black brand is going down the gurgler, just think of the Fijians, Samoans, Tongans, Japanese, Georgians and Italians who are being reminded of just how valued they are.
Who is making all these decisions???Principles are fine when you can afford them.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
I think it's a bloody disgrace that we care so little about our fans and supporting countries that we can play more matches in USA than against all second tier nations combined.
So when everyone bitches about why some players not getting developed and enough opportunities this year, and why the All Black brand is going down the gurgler, just think of the Fijians, Samoans, Tongans, Japanese, Georgians and Italians who are being reminded of just how valued they are.
Who is making all these decisions???Principles are fine when you can afford them.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
Principles are fine when you can afford them.
"These are my principles. If you don’t like them I have others."
Attributed to Groucho Marx but contested: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/09/groucho-principles/ -
@Darren Putting aside the ground can't meet the requirements, I believe outside of tournaments that they should be held in the country of one of the participants.
I genuinely don't see why Americans should get to see this fixture over Kiwis and the Irish.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren Putting aside the ground can't meet the requirements, I believe outside of tournaments that they should be held in the country of one of the participants.
I genuinely don't see why Americans should get to see this fixture over Kiwis and the Irish.
What annoys me is the "milking" of a brand thats in danger of becoming irrelevant.
It's all well and good selling out to Ineos, Altrad and playing games in the U.S if you are the "Harlem Globetrotters" of your sport. But we are now losing regularly to France, Ireland and South Africa and even Argentina and still strutting around like we are the cock of the walk.
We could do with winning the odd tournament to justify our lofty sense of self worth these days.
The modern day iteration of the Allblacks are all fur coat and no knickers.
Winning is all that matters and the rest is superfluous.
The first Chicago expedition was the start of the current malaise.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren Putting aside the ground can't meet the requirements, I believe outside of tournaments that they should be held in the country of one of the participants.
I genuinely don't see why Americans should get to see this fixture over Kiwis and the Irish.
What annoys me is the "milking" of a brand thats in danger of becoming irrelevant.
It's all well and good selling out to Ineos, Altrad and playing games in the U.S if you are the "Harlem Globetrotters" of your sport. But we are now losing regularly to France, Ireland and South Africa and even Argentina and still strutting around like we are the cock of the walk.
We could do with winning the odd tournament to justify our lofty sense of self worth these days.
The modern day iteration of the Allblacks are all fur coat and no knickers.
Winning is all that matters and the rest is superfluous.
The first Chicago expedition was the start of the current malaise.
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I think it's a bloody disgrace that we care so little about our fans and supporting countries that we can play more matches in USA than against all second tier nations combined.
So when everyone bitches about why some players not getting developed and enough opportunities this year, and why the All Black brand is going down the gurgler, just think of the Fijians, Samoans, Tongans, Japanese, Georgians and Italians who are being reminded of just how valued they are.
Who is making all these decisions???@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
I think it's a bloody disgrace that we care so little about our fans and supporting countries that we can play more matches in USA than against all second tier nations combined.
So when everyone bitches about why some players not getting developed and enough opportunities this year, and why the All Black brand is going down the gurgler, just think of the Fijians, Samoans, Tongans, Japanese, Georgians and Italians who are being reminded of just how valued they are.
Who is making all these decisions???The early season "cobweb blowout" against our pacific brethren historically allowed us to blood new players and more importantly start the year with a W in the ledger.
Foster and Robertson started their seasons/tenures on the back foot and were playing "defence" from the get go because we were coming cold straight from flag footie (super rugby) into playing Ireland 3 times , or England twice before we had even got to the Rugby Championship.
It's no wonder they got so conservative at the selection table.
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Wait (a few) people are getting upset about the All Blacks playing a test in the United States of America.
Hang on until they find out where's the 2031 Rugby World Cup going be hosted.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Wait (a few) people are getting upset about the All Blacks playing a test in the United States of America.
Hang on until they find out where's the 2031 Rugby World Cup going be hosted.
Yep sparky, FFS we can play on any field anywhere in world. If we got opposition and that's where they want to play us good as. I not sure if some realise that when if play Fiji or Ireland in USA, there are actually 2 teams not playing at home or at opponents ground , just like WC (and the Nations Cup ,when it happens no doubt). I don't get the shit it hurts brand etc, and wouldn't mind betting a good few other nations would be more than happy to make extra coin doing same thing. We live in a country of a 5 mill, so if we can make a bit extra by playing an extra game (as we often do and Ireland are doing) go for it. I suspect a few don't understand what the word professional in professional sports mean (clue it's money)
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
I like this tour, unsure how this can make someone think it shouldn’t be referred to as a grand slam.
Because we're playing Ireland in the USA, not at their house. That's the only difference. And then it's perspective as to whether you think that disqualifies or not
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
I like this tour, unsure how this can make someone think it shouldn’t be referred to as a grand slam.
Because we're playing Ireland in the USA, not at their house. That's the only difference. And then it's perspective as to whether you think that disqualifies or not
We did a grand slam in 3 weeks against the home nations in 1995. On saffa soil.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren Putting aside the ground can't meet the requirements, I believe outside of tournaments that they should be held in the country of one of the participants.
I genuinely don't see why Americans should get to see this fixture over Kiwis and the Irish.
What annoys me is the "milking" of a brand thats in danger of becoming irrelevant.
It's all well and good selling out to Ineos, Altrad and playing games in the U.S if you are the "Harlem Globetrotters" of your sport. But we are now losing regularly to France, Ireland and South Africa and even Argentina and still strutting around like we are the cock of the walk.
We could do with winning the odd tournament to justify our lofty sense of self worth these days.
The modern day iteration of the Allblacks are all fur coat and no knickers.
Winning is all that matters and the rest is superfluous.
The first Chicago expedition was the start of the current malaise.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren Putting aside the ground can't meet the requirements, I believe outside of tournaments that they should be held in the country of one of the participants.
I genuinely don't see why Americans should get to see this fixture over Kiwis and the Irish.
What annoys me is the "milking" of a brand thats in danger of becoming irrelevant.
It's all well and good selling out to Ineos, Altrad and playing games in the U.S if you are the "Harlem Globetrotters" of your sport. But we are now losing regularly to France, Ireland and South Africa and even Argentina and still strutting around like we are the cock of the walk.
We could do with winning the odd tournament to justify our lofty sense of self worth these days.
The modern day iteration of the Allblacks are all fur coat and no knickers.
Winning is all that matters and the rest is superfluous.
The first Chicago expedition was the start of the current malaise.
I think it is more commercial realities where the AB brand is the growth engine for NZR.
Yes, you are correct - the continued success/Brand of ABs/NZR requires success. Ideally at a world cup level.
I dont think it is becoming irrelevant, its amazing how quickly the aura is restored after a period of non domination of the sport - which we are in now. Besting the boks at home would help of course and is a must for a number of reasons
