All Blacks 2025
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
Fihaki has never played 12 a wing /FB
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Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
Watch him against an NZ side. You’ll see your statement about him looking nothing like an AB winger is in fact correct.
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Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
One thing I have noticed he is doing a lot of defending in the MF against the opposition forwards and pulling off some good hits.
Something the AB coaches were giving him as work ons.
I believe he is in the frame for the ABs like it or not. -
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
Someone begs to differ...
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
So who is our 7 once Blackadder goes down? I wouldnt have him there, but we know he will be until injury, so who's the backup? I don't think they're keen on Papali'i, Lakai ended up there last year but Kirifi gets preferred at club level, Ardie started there against France but had to move out of there quickly and we all know he ain't a 7, so who is 2nd choice?
My choice is Lakai.
How dare you all forget razors other red and black man, Tom Christie. Duh.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
So who is our 7 once Blackadder goes down? I wouldnt have him there, but we know he will be until injury, so who's the backup? I don't think they're keen on Papali'i, Lakai ended up there last year but Kirifi gets preferred at club level, Ardie started there against France but had to move out of there quickly and we all know he ain't a 7, so who is 2nd choice?
My choice is Lakai.
How dare you all forget razors other red and black man, Tom Christie. Duh.
Don't give them ideas if someone in ABs camp is reading haha, and no, I don't want to see 7s making 35 legs tackles a game.
He'd go well in the Blues side as our loosies love soaking up the tackles.
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Had not thought of Taele Beehre or Christie as AB contenders this year.
The ones I think might get a look if 41 or 42 players are in squad for home season:
Tangitau, better than Narawa currently. Big Jim or Tupaea may replace the injured Procter, more likely Havili. Jacomb or Godfrey may be in extended squad. I think Roe and Preston playing better each week than Ratima, Christie and Hotham and either may be looked at.
In forwards Kirifi earns a spot at 7. Lio Willie or Parker may get a shot at 8.
Stumped at lock. Lord might edge out Holland Cahill??
I hope and expect a new prop or two. Numia, Dyer and Norris are all pushing hard for Ofa or Tosi spot. -
Tangitau let himself down last night. Given his greenness, that performance may have given the selectors the yips for this year. He can't afford any more games like that.
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Tangitau let himself down last night. Given his greenness, that performance may have given the selectors the yips for this year. He can't afford any more games like that.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
Tangitau let himself down last night. Given his greenness, that performance may have given the selectors the yips for this year. He can't afford any more games like that.
I really hope not. We've got way too conservative, too much focus on what isn't perfect, as opposed to the fact that this is a new guy who is carving up.
So many of our previous wings carved up at the level below - but weren't perfect or the finished article - and they were picked, to great success. If you wait for them to be perfect before picking them, they'll be 30 and slow, and everyone will have worked out how to defend them. -
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
Tangitau let himself down last night. Given his greenness, that performance may have given the selectors the yips for this year. He can't afford any more games like that.
I really hope not. We've got way too conservative, too much focus on what isn't perfect, as opposed to the fact that this is a new guy who is carving up.
So many of our previous wings carved up at the level below - but weren't perfect or the finished article - and they were picked, to great success. If you wait for them to be perfect before picking them, they'll be 30 and slow, and everyone will have worked out how to defend them.@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
Tangitau let himself down last night. Given his greenness, that performance may have given the selectors the yips for this year. He can't afford any more games like that.
I really hope not. We've got way too conservative, too much focus on what isn't perfect, as opposed to the fact that this is a new guy who is carving up.
So many of our previous wings carved up at the level below - but weren't perfect or the finished article - and they were picked, to great success. If you wait for them to be perfect before picking them, they'll be 30 and slow, and everyone will have worked out how to defend them.27 seems a more accurate number
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
Tangitau let himself down last night. Given his greenness, that performance may have given the selectors the yips for this year. He can't afford any more games like that.
I really hope not. We've got way too conservative, too much focus on what isn't perfect, as opposed to the fact that this is a new guy who is carving up.
So many of our previous wings carved up at the level below - but weren't perfect or the finished article - and they were picked, to great success. If you wait for them to be perfect before picking them, they'll be 30 and slow, and everyone will have worked out how to defend them.@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
Tangitau let himself down last night. Given his greenness, that performance may have given the selectors the yips for this year. He can't afford any more games like that.
I really hope not. We've got way too conservative, too much focus on what isn't perfect, as opposed to the fact that this is a new guy who is carving up.
So many of our previous wings carved up at the level below - but weren't perfect or the finished article - and they were picked, to great success. If you wait for them to be perfect before picking them, they'll be 30 and slow, and everyone will have worked out how to defend them.I agree with you. I hope they do give some young fellas a go even if they do shit the bed from time to time. Hopefully the success of Sititi last year has given the selectors some confidence.
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Tangitau let himself down last night. Given his greenness, that performance may have given the selectors the yips for this year. He can't afford any more games like that.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
Tangitau let himself down last night. Given his greenness, that performance may have given the selectors the yips for this year. He can't afford any more games like that.
What did he do that was so bad? If that performance is something that would give these selectors the yips, it becomes even more thoroughly confusing how Fihaki gets selected.
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@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
Fihaki has never played 12 a wing /FB
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
Fihaki has never played 12 a wing /FB
I think it would be when I first saw him, probably Crusaders U20s.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
One thing I have noticed he is doing a lot of defending in the MF against the opposition forwards and pulling off some good hits.
Something the AB coaches were giving him as work ons.
I believe he is in the frame for the ABs like it or not.@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
One thing I have noticed he is doing a lot of defending in the MF against the opposition forwards and pulling off some good hits.
Something the AB coaches were giving him as work ons.
I believe he is in the frame for the ABs like it or not.He's 24 and isn't ripping it up in the try scoring stakes. I don't think he's going to make the grade
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I don't know if it had the wind behind it but that kick yesterday was one of the longest I've ever seen, perhaps even longer than Frans Steyn could kick it. If he could get the accuracy he should kick a few American footballs in the offseason and his backup plan can be the Zammit/Petaia route.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
Fihaki has never played 12 a wing /FB
I think it would be when I first saw him, probably Crusaders U20s.
@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
Fihaki has never played 12 a wing /FB
I think it would be when I first saw him, probably Crusaders U20s.
Nah he was wing or FB in u/20s
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
One thing I have noticed he is doing a lot of defending in the MF against the opposition forwards and pulling off some good hits.
Something the AB coaches were giving him as work ons.
I believe he is in the frame for the ABs like it or not.He's 24 and isn't ripping it up in the try scoring stakes. I don't think he's going to make the grade
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
One thing I have noticed he is doing a lot of defending in the MF against the opposition forwards and pulling off some good hits.
Something the AB coaches were giving him as work ons.
I believe he is in the frame for the ABs like it or not.He's 24 and isn't ripping it up in the try scoring stakes. I don't think he's going to make the grade
Don’t be surprised if he gets an AB jersey sometime in 2025.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
One thing I have noticed he is doing a lot of defending in the MF against the opposition forwards and pulling off some good hits.
Something the AB coaches were giving him as work ons.
I believe he is in the frame for the ABs like it or not.He's 24 and isn't ripping it up in the try scoring stakes. I don't think he's going to make the grade
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
One thing I have noticed he is doing a lot of defending in the MF against the opposition forwards and pulling off some good hits.
Something the AB coaches were giving him as work ons.
I believe he is in the frame for the ABs like it or not.He's 24 and isn't ripping it up in the try scoring stakes. I don't think he's going to make the grade
You're applying selection criteria that exists only for players from the other clubs.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
One thing I have noticed he is doing a lot of defending in the MF against the opposition forwards and pulling off some good hits.
Something the AB coaches were giving him as work ons.
I believe he is in the frame for the ABs like it or not.He's 24 and isn't ripping it up in the try scoring stakes. I don't think he's going to make the grade
You're applying selection criteria that exists only for players from the other clubs.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
One thing I have noticed he is doing a lot of defending in the MF against the opposition forwards and pulling off some good hits.
Something the AB coaches were giving him as work ons.
I believe he is in the frame for the ABs like it or not.He's 24 and isn't ripping it up in the try scoring stakes. I don't think he's going to make the grade
You're applying selection criteria that exists only for players from the other clubs.
Yeah exactly. "isn't ripping it up in the try scoring stakes" sounds like Crusaders/AB material to me.
Hopefully Macca Springer gets a call up too. He looks dynamic in the Ralph/Hamilton/Bridge mode.
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@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
Fihaki has never played 12 a wing /FB
I think it would be when I first saw him, probably Crusaders U20s.
Nah he was wing or FB in u/20s
Same for Canterbury .@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@HugeCarrot2 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Watched the Drua v Crusaders yesterday, and finally got a chance to see what all the fuss with Fihaki is about. Was underwhelmed. He looks a specimen, but doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game, and lacks the kind of raw speed and power that a young Julian Savea had back in the day. Happy to be corrected, but he looks nothing like an AB winger to me
I feel like at this point I've seen him play 12/15/wing? He doesn't seem to have a natural position and certainly isn't enough of an attacking threat for ABs at wing. Has always been a big kicker of the ball though.
Fihaki has never played 12 a wing /FB
I think it would be when I first saw him, probably Crusaders U20s.
Nah he was wing or FB in u/20s
Same for Canterbury .I honestly had to look that up because I thought I must be imagining it then, as I watched the 2021 Super Rugby U20s tournament. He played 12 vs Blues, 12 vs Highlanders, 13 vs Chiefs.
Back further he often played 12 at school it seems including for NZ schools vs Australia in 2018.
