Māori All Blacks 2025
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@Mr-Fish said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
Scotland could conceivably have up to 10 players in the Lions next season (probably more like seven or eight) - which would be their largest number in a long time.
I reckon there are 5 definites - Russell, Schoeman, Fagerson, Tuipoluto, Kinghorn
Then 3 highly likely - Dempsey, van der Merwe, Jones
@ACT-Crusader said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
Scotland could conceivably have up to 10 players in the Lions next season (probably more like seven or eight) - which would be their largest number in a long time.
I reckon there are 5 definites - Russell, Schoeman, Fagerson, Tuipoluto, Kinghorn
Then 3 highly likely - Dempsey, van der Merwe, Jones
He’ll be the first name picked
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@canefan said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
So shit from the Scots.
Their strongest team in ages and they still aren’t actually playing a test match against NZ in NZ. Last time they did I was 23 years old.
What are they not? Is that their fault or ours?
Razor's fault.
@Crazy-Horse said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
So shit from the Scots.
Their strongest team in ages and they still aren’t actually playing a test match against NZ in NZ. Last time they did I was 23 years old.
What are they not? Is that their fault or ours?
Razor's fault.
Unfair to single out just Razor.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
Scotland could conceivably have up to 10 players in the Lions next season (probably more like seven or eight) - which would be their largest number in a long time.
I reckon there are 5 definites - Russell, Schoeman, Fagerson, Tuipoluto, Kinghorn
Then 3 highly likely - Dempsey, van der Merwe, Jones
He’ll be the first name picked
@MN5 said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
Scotland could conceivably have up to 10 players in the Lions next season (probably more like seven or eight) - which would be their largest number in a long time.
I reckon there are 5 definites - Russell, Schoeman, Fagerson, Tuipoluto, Kinghorn
Then 3 highly likely - Dempsey, van der Merwe, Jones
He’ll be the first name picked
He shouldn't be... Not even the best wing in Scotland.
Would have Graham, IFW, Lowe and Hansen all ahead of him, and maybe even Freeman too.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
Scotland could conceivably have up to 10 players in the Lions next season (probably more like seven or eight) - which would be their largest number in a long time.
I reckon there are 5 definites - Russell, Schoeman, Fagerson, Tuipoluto, Kinghorn
Then 3 highly likely - Dempsey, van der Merwe, Jones
He’ll be the first name picked
@MN5 said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
Scotland could conceivably have up to 10 players in the Lions next season (probably more like seven or eight) - which would be their largest number in a long time.
I reckon there are 5 definites - Russell, Schoeman, Fagerson, Tuipoluto, Kinghorn
Then 3 highly likely - Dempsey, van der Merwe, Jones
He’ll be the first name picked
Nah.
Lots of good wingers in the BIL nations. My two starting wings for the tests would be Kinghorn and Lowe with Feyi-Waboso as impact/next cab.
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Possible team ?
Norris
Eklund
Kautai
Selby Rickitt
IWL
Suafoa
Kirifi
Wrampling
Ratima
Kemara
Springer
TUJ
Proctor
Tangitau
Sullivan (if fit)Quite a few of your team aren't eligible.
Last years squad to Japan was:
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Benet Kumeroa* (Te Atihaunui a Pāpārangi/Bay of Plenty/Hurricanes)
Joe Moody (Ngāi Tahu/Canterbury/Crusaders)
Marcel Renata (Ngāti Whanaunga, Ngāi Takoto/Auckland/Blues)
Ollie Norris (Ngāpuhi/Waikato/Chiefs)
Pouri Rakete-Stones (Ngāpuhi/Hawke’s Bay/Hurricanes)Hookers
Kurt Eklund (Ngāti Kahu/Bay of Plenty/Blues)
Tyrone Thompson (Ngāti Kahungunu/Chiefs)Locks
Isaia Walker-Leawere (Ngāti Porou/Hawke’s Bay/Hurricanes)
Laghlan McWhannell* (Ngāti Kahungunu/Waikato/Blues)
Max Hicks (Ngāti Ranginui/ Ta$man/Highlanders)
Tahlor Cahill* (Ngāpuhi/Canterbury/Crusaders)Loose forwards
Billy Harmon (Ngāi Tahu/Canterbury/Highlanders)
Cameron Suafoa (Ngāpuhi/North Harbour/Blues)
Cullen Grace (Ngāti Whakaue/Canterbury/Crusaders)
Nikora Broughton* (Ngā Rauru, Ngāti Ruanui/Bay of Plenty/Highlanders)
Te Kamaka Howden (Tūhoe/Manawatū/Hurricanes)Half Backs
Sam Nock (Ngāpuhi/Northland/Blues)
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (Ngāti Rangitihi, Ngāti Pikiao, Tūhourangi, Ngāti Whakaue, Ngāti Awa/Bay of Plenty/Chiefs)First five-eighths
Rivez Reihana* (Ngāi Tahu, Ngāti Hine, Ngāpuhi, Ngāti Tūwharetoa/Northland/Crusaders)
Taha Kemara* (Te Whānau a Apanui, Te Whakatōhea/Waikato/Crusaders)Midfield
Bailyn Sullivan (Ngāti Kahungunu/Waikato/Hurricanes)
Corey Evans* (Te Aupouri, Ngāti Kahu/Northland/Blues)
Daniel Rona* (Te Ātiawa/Taranaki/Chiefs)
Rameka Poihipi (Ngāti Whakaue/Canterbury/Chiefs)
Quinn Tupaea (Ngaati Tiipa, Ngaati Amaru, Waikato/Waikato/Chiefs)Outside Backs
Cole Forbes* (Ngāti Awa/Bay of Plenty/Blues)
Josh Moorby (Ngāi Maniapoto/Waikato/Hurricanes)
Tana Tuhakaraina* (Ngāti Hauā/Waikato/Chiefs)Unavailable for selection due to injury:
Manaaki Selby-Rickit (Ngāti Raukawa)
Shaun Stevenson (Ngāpuhi)
Jared Profitt (Ngāti Porou)A few of these players are now overseas or injured.
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Bump anyone with a code to get. or tickets (looking for 3) only available on scalping websites ATM
@Machpants said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
Bump anyone with a code to get. or tickets (looking for 3) only available on scalping websites ATM
I managed to grab 4 tickets about a week ago, surely not sold out already?
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@Machpants said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
Bump anyone with a code to get. or tickets (looking for 3) only available on scalping websites ATM
I managed to grab 4 tickets about a week ago, surely not sold out already?
@Gunner said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
Bump anyone with a code to get. or tickets (looking for 3) only available on scalping websites ATM
I managed to grab 4 tickets about a week ago, surely not sold out already?
I don't have a code, so only single seats left. GA available, but I'd rather a seat
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Possible team ?
Norris
Eklund
Kautai
Selby Rickitt
IWL
Suafoa
Kirifi
Wrampling
Ratima
Kemara
Springer
TUJ
Proctor
Tangitau
Sullivan (if fit) -
I don't know about Springer but:
Tongan - Kautai, Tangitau
Samoan - Kirifi, T and P Umaga-Jensen
Niuean - G and M WramplingIt's possible some might qualify but the likes of Kautai, the Umaga-Jensens and Kirifi would have been selected previously you would think.
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So looking at the squad for 2025's matches against Japan and Scotland, I wonder if the All Blacks coaches will send some of the 'fringe' players to Japan with the MABs for their first match (which is played the week before the first Test against France). If the likes of Ruben Love, Billy Proctor and Noah Hotham aren't going to be playing in that opening Test, I'd personally rather see them get some minutes for Maori (especially given they've already had plenty of time in All Blacks camp).
The MABs will likely have to rely on some provincial players to plug the gap at hooker, prop and possibly outside back.
Just looking at who's actually known to be eligible and played Super Rugby this year or played for the Maori last year (I've included last year's All Blacks in italics, plus Quinn Tupaea who I think is probably a dead cert)...
Props
Marcel Renata
Ollie Norris
Pouri Rakete-Stones
Jared Proffit
Benet Kumeroa
Tamaiti Williams
Tyrel LomaxHookers
Kurt Eklund
Codie TaylorLocks
Isaia Walker-Leawere
Laghlan McWhannell
Max Hicks
Tahlor Cahill
Manaaki Selby-Rickit
Tai Cribb
Caleb DelanyLoose forwards
Cullen Grace
Nikora Broughton
Te Kamaka Howden
Jahrome BrownHalfbacks
Sam Nock
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
Cortez Ratima
Noah HothamFirst five-eighths
Rivez Reihana
Riley Hohepa
Taine Robinson
Damian McKenzie
Ruben LoveMidfield
Bailyn Sullivan
Daniel Rona
Jake Te Hiwi
Quinn Tupaea
Billy Proctor
Rieko IoaneOutside Backs
Cole Forbes
Tana Tuhakaraina
Corey Evans
Shaun Stevenson
Jonah Lowe
Zarn SullivanLooking at a top 23 (using only non-All Blacks) of:
1 Ollie Norris
2 Kurt Eklund
3 Marcel Renata
4 Isaiah Walker-Leawere
5 Laghlan McWhannell
6 TK Howden
7 Jahrome Brown
8 Cullen Grace
9 Sam Nock
10 Rivez Reihana
11 Jonah Lowe
12 Daniel Rona
13 Bailyn Sullivan
14 Shaun Stevenson
15 Corey Evans16 ???
17 Pouri Rakete-Stones
18 Benet Kumeroa
19 Caleb Delany
20 Nikora Broughton
21 Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
22 Taine Robinson
23 Cole Forbes -
So looking at the squad for 2025's matches against Japan and Scotland, I wonder if the All Blacks coaches will send some of the 'fringe' players to Japan with the MABs for their first match (which is played the week before the first Test against France). If the likes of Ruben Love, Billy Proctor and Noah Hotham aren't going to be playing in that opening Test, I'd personally rather see them get some minutes for Maori (especially given they've already had plenty of time in All Blacks camp).
The MABs will likely have to rely on some provincial players to plug the gap at hooker, prop and possibly outside back.
Just looking at who's actually known to be eligible and played Super Rugby this year or played for the Maori last year (I've included last year's All Blacks in italics, plus Quinn Tupaea who I think is probably a dead cert)...
Props
Marcel Renata
Ollie Norris
Pouri Rakete-Stones
Jared Proffit
Benet Kumeroa
Tamaiti Williams
Tyrel LomaxHookers
Kurt Eklund
Codie TaylorLocks
Isaia Walker-Leawere
Laghlan McWhannell
Max Hicks
Tahlor Cahill
Manaaki Selby-Rickit
Tai Cribb
Caleb DelanyLoose forwards
Cullen Grace
Nikora Broughton
Te Kamaka Howden
Jahrome BrownHalfbacks
Sam Nock
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
Cortez Ratima
Noah HothamFirst five-eighths
Rivez Reihana
Riley Hohepa
Taine Robinson
Damian McKenzie
Ruben LoveMidfield
Bailyn Sullivan
Daniel Rona
Jake Te Hiwi
Quinn Tupaea
Billy Proctor
Rieko IoaneOutside Backs
Cole Forbes
Tana Tuhakaraina
Corey Evans
Shaun Stevenson
Jonah Lowe
Zarn SullivanLooking at a top 23 (using only non-All Blacks) of:
1 Ollie Norris
2 Kurt Eklund
3 Marcel Renata
4 Isaiah Walker-Leawere
5 Laghlan McWhannell
6 TK Howden
7 Jahrome Brown
8 Cullen Grace
9 Sam Nock
10 Rivez Reihana
11 Jonah Lowe
12 Daniel Rona
13 Bailyn Sullivan
14 Shaun Stevenson
15 Corey Evans16 ???
17 Pouri Rakete-Stones
18 Benet Kumeroa
19 Caleb Delany
20 Nikora Broughton
21 Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
22 Taine Robinson
23 Cole Forbes -
So looking at the squad for 2025's matches against Japan and Scotland, I wonder if the All Blacks coaches will send some of the 'fringe' players to Japan with the MABs for their first match (which is played the week before the first Test against France). If the likes of Ruben Love, Billy Proctor and Noah Hotham aren't going to be playing in that opening Test, I'd personally rather see them get some minutes for Maori (especially given they've already had plenty of time in All Blacks camp).
The MABs will likely have to rely on some provincial players to plug the gap at hooker, prop and possibly outside back.
Just looking at who's actually known to be eligible and played Super Rugby this year or played for the Maori last year (I've included last year's All Blacks in italics, plus Quinn Tupaea who I think is probably a dead cert)...
Props
Marcel Renata
Ollie Norris
Pouri Rakete-Stones
Jared Proffit
Benet Kumeroa
Tamaiti Williams
Tyrel LomaxHookers
Kurt Eklund
Codie TaylorLocks
Isaia Walker-Leawere
Laghlan McWhannell
Max Hicks
Tahlor Cahill
Manaaki Selby-Rickit
Tai Cribb
Caleb DelanyLoose forwards
Cullen Grace
Nikora Broughton
Te Kamaka Howden
Jahrome BrownHalfbacks
Sam Nock
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
Cortez Ratima
Noah HothamFirst five-eighths
Rivez Reihana
Riley Hohepa
Taine Robinson
Damian McKenzie
Ruben LoveMidfield
Bailyn Sullivan
Daniel Rona
Jake Te Hiwi
Quinn Tupaea
Billy Proctor
Rieko IoaneOutside Backs
Cole Forbes
Tana Tuhakaraina
Corey Evans
Shaun Stevenson
Jonah Lowe
Zarn SullivanLooking at a top 23 (using only non-All Blacks) of:
1 Ollie Norris
2 Kurt Eklund
3 Marcel Renata
4 Isaiah Walker-Leawere
5 Laghlan McWhannell
6 TK Howden
7 Jahrome Brown
8 Cullen Grace
9 Sam Nock
10 Rivez Reihana
11 Jonah Lowe
12 Daniel Rona
13 Bailyn Sullivan
14 Shaun Stevenson
15 Corey Evans16 ???
17 Pouri Rakete-Stones
18 Benet Kumeroa
19 Caleb Delany
20 Nikora Broughton
21 Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
22 Taine Robinson
23 Cole Forbes -
@Tim said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish Are any of the MP players qualified?
As far as I'm aware, Jackson Garden-Bachop is the only MP player with Maori heritage. I believe he's trying to play for Samoa, however (and I don't think MP players can be selected for NZ rep sides for the first time anyway, and he's not very good).
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@Tim said in Māori All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish Are any of the MP players qualified?
As far as I'm aware, Jackson Garden-Bachop is the only MP player with Maori heritage. I believe he's trying to play for Samoa, however (and I don't think MP players can be selected for NZ rep sides for the first time anyway, and he's not very good).
@Mr-Fish I'd rather pick Robinson over JGB. Robinson I thought looked quite sharp in his most recent SR game when he started.
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As a futile exercise in nothingness, this is what a Pacific All Blacks side (without any Maori players, or likely All Blacks) could look like, if they ever got one off the ground...
1 George Bower
2 Ioane Moananu
3 Saula Ma'u
4 Josh Lord
5 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
6 Samipeni Finau
7 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8 Hoskins Sotutu
9 Folau Fakatava
10 Stephen Perofeta
11 Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens
12 Timoci Tavatavanawai
13 AJ Lam
14 Caleb Tangitau
15 Etene Nanai-Seturo16 Soane Vikena
17 Josh Fusitu'a
18 Tevita Mafileo
19 Jimmy Tupou
20 Christian Lio-Willie
21 Taufa Funaki
22 Xavi Taele
23 Gideon Wrampling
