All Blacks 2025
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While we are all assuming Wallace will play 8 , I thought he was easily our best 6 last year as well.
Maybe it’s not as clear cut as we think .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
While we are all assuming Wallace will play 8 , I thought he was easily our best 6 last year as well.
Maybe it’s not as clear cut as we think .
So you’re saying we should pick him at 7?
I like your thinking
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Failed to perform to his best potential. Bottler.
https://www.tiktok.com/@newzealand638/video/7295450619324779777
"Bottle it - To fail in an embarrassing way in a crucial situation, especially due to nerves. "
Did he fail in an embarrassing way in a crucial situation? Yes. He was clearly embarrassed so it was embarrassing. Was it a crucial situation? Yes. RWC final.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Failed to perform to his best potential. Bottler.
https://www.tiktok.com/@newzealand638/video/7295450619324779777
"Bottle it - To fail in an embarrassing way in a crucial situation, especially due to nerves. "
Did he fail in an embarrassing way in a crucial situation? Yes. He was clearly embarrassed so it was embarrassing. Was it a crucial situation? Yes. RWC final.
Not sure why we used Barrett in that moment. He had failed kicking a similar penalty for the Canes against the Brumbies two years in a row which resulted us losing a quarter final on both occasions.
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@sparky That can't be right. Aaron is a sharemilker from Tuatapere and plays Presidents grade!
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Back on the 2025 ABs
Who will be the initial back up 14 (assuming Reece gets the 14 jersey)
Narawa? Tele'a?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
Back on the 2025 ABs
Who will be the initial back up 14 (assuming Reece gets the 14 jersey)
Narawa? Tele'a?
I wouldn't pick Tele'a myself.
Maybe Will Jordan covers there with Rieko Ioane? They didn't seem overly keen on Narawa last year.
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Would like to see Rieko at 14. NZ's premier attacking back with sound defense. Too good to leave out but add Proctor at 13 for distribution and Mr Fixit. That young French 11 especially (if he is coming) looks nasty to defend against. It would feel better if someone with experience and gas was opposing him.
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My starting backline:
Roigard
McKenzie
Clark
Barrett
Proctor
Ioane
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My starting backline:
Roigard
McKenzie
Clark
Barrett
Proctor
Ioane
Jordan.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
My starting backline:
Roigard
McKenzie
Clark
Barrett
Proctor
Ioane
Jordan.That’s exactly what I would pick as well. Ioane is still a deadly finisher.
Ratima, Love and Jim for impact?
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To reprosecute this argument because it still fucking irritates me:
Wayne Barnes and Tom Foley set the standard with some baffling logic in 2022, introducing the world to the concept of a "soak tackle". Which translated meant a lock getting his cheekbone broken by a tackler.
Fast forward a year and a bit and these two giant intellects of the game decided that now was the time to revisit this soak tackle interpretation of theirs and send off Sam "puppy kicker" Cane despite the fact it actually was a soak tackle - Kriel dominated the tackle vector and was uninjured, save for his masculinity and integrity as he writhed in pain until the card was waved in the direction of Saint Sam, defender of orphans' kittens.
WR should be fined and banned for a RWC cycle for that disgusting travesty.
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My starting backline:
Roigard
McKenzie
Clark
Barrett
Proctor
Ioane
Jordan.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
My starting backline:
Roigard
McKenzie
Clark
Barrett
Proctor
Ioane
Jordan.Looks dangerous
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To reprosecute this argument because it still fucking irritates me:
Wayne Barnes and Tom Foley set the standard with some baffling logic in 2022, introducing the world to the concept of a "soak tackle". Which translated meant a lock getting his cheekbone broken by a tackler.
Fast forward a year and a bit and these two giant intellects of the game decided that now was the time to revisit this soak tackle interpretation of theirs and send off Sam "puppy kicker" Cane despite the fact it actually was a soak tackle - Kriel dominated the tackle vector and was uninjured, save for his masculinity and integrity as he writhed in pain until the card was waved in the direction of Saint Sam, defender of orphans' kittens.
WR should be fined and banned for a RWC cycle for that disgusting travesty.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
To reprosecute this argument because it still fucking irritates me:
Wayne Barnes and Tom Foley set the standard with some baffling logic in 2022, introducing the world to the concept of a "soak tackle". Which translated meant a lock getting his cheekbone broken by a tackler.
Fast forward a year and a bit and these two giant intellects of the game decided that now was the time to revisit this soak tackle interpretation of theirs and send off Sam "puppy kicker" Cane despite the fact it actually was a soak tackle - Kriel dominated the tackle vector and was uninjured, save for his masculinity and integrity as he writhed in pain until the card was waved in the direction of Saint Sam, defender of orphans' kittens.
WR should be fined and banned for a RWC cycle for that disgusting travesty.
But still probably should have gotten lower, knowing that these fluffybunnies were never going to give him the benefit of the doubt
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Failed to perform to his best potential. Bottler.
https://www.tiktok.com/@newzealand638/video/7295450619324779777
"Bottle it - To fail in an embarrassing way in a crucial situation, especially due to nerves. "
Did he fail in an embarrassing way in a crucial situation? Yes. He was clearly embarrassed so it was embarrassing. Was it a crucial situation? Yes. RWC final.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Failed to perform to his best potential. Bottler.
https://www.tiktok.com/@newzealand638/video/7295450619324779777
"Bottle it - To fail in an embarrassing way in a crucial situation, especially due to nerves. "
Did he fail in an embarrassing way in a crucial situation? Yes. He was clearly embarrassed so it was embarrassing. Was it a crucial situation? Yes. RWC final.
Give it s rest mate
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
My starting backline:
Roigard
McKenzie
Clark
Barrett
Proctor
Ioane
Jordan.Looks dangerous
@canefan I like your thinking backline bench
6/2 Split Leroy Carter , covers wing and halfback
Ruben Love5/3 Split
Cortez Ratima
Ruben Love
Timoci TavatavanawaiThoughts .?
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Tavatavanawai kind of looks like he has a pot belly. If that's the case I think the current selectors frown on that sort of thing.
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Tavatavanawai kind of looks like he has a pot belly. If that's the case I think the current selectors frown on that sort of thing.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Tavatavanawai kind of looks like he has a pot belly. If that's the case I think the current selectors frown on that sort of thing.
I reckon work rate and involvement probably trumps whether some rando on the internet thinks a player has a Potbelly.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Tavatavanawai kind of looks like he has a pot belly. If that's the case I think the current selectors frown on that sort of thing.
I reckon work rate and involvement probably trumps whether some rando on the internet thinks a player has a Potbelly.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Tavatavanawai kind of looks like he has a pot belly. If that's the case I think the current selectors frown on that sort of thing.
I reckon work rate and involvement probably trumps whether some rando on the internet thinks a player has a Potbelly.
Jim off the bench would certainly hold a lot of merit. If you want impact, he is the guy.
He can also help close out a game with his ability to jackle.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Cane and Frizell bottled it and Savea ended up doing the work of two loose forwards.
Whatever can be said of Sam Cane as an All Black, the idea of him bottling it is def. not one of them.
He's the first player to be red carded in an RWC final because he failed to keep his discipline.
Big arrow you've drawn there between lack of bottle and getting a (dubious IMHO) red card.
Bottling it means failing to do something and he failed to keep his tackles down with a lazy high shot. He failed to keep his discipline in a high pressure game. Whether or not the red is dubious is irrelevant. It was a high shot and he created that moment which forced an official to deliberate.
If he had kept his tackle down there would be nothing for the officials to judge.
Your contention has merit when looked at in isolation, but not when Kolisi gets away with a worse transgression in the very same game.
That's also irrelevant.
All Cane had to do was keep his tackle low and we wouldn't be having this debate. Again, Cane opened the door to let a flakey NH official decide his fate. No one else during the game. Cane.
But that's the exact issue. It's impossible for any dominant tackling loosie to keep 100% of their tackles low, mistakes happen.
"All" Cane had to do is something nobody else does. For example, Kolisi in the same game - so now Kolisi is lauded by all and sundry, while you are vilifying Cane - when they did the exact same damn thing, and the only thing that really causes that polar difference is the ref's inconsistent interpretation.Dude. I'm not vilifying him. I'm simply saying he failed to keep his discipline in an RWC final when the pressure was on. There is nothing abusive in my comments towards him.
He doesn't get a pass for his performance because officials have varied responses to high tackles. It was a high tackle. His performance was poor.
Psdt made 28 tackles in that final and none of them were high despite him being 15cm taller than Cane.
Great performance from Ardie. Poor from Cane and Frizell.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Psdt made 28 tackles in that final and none of them were high despite him being 15cm taller than Cane.
Is he? 11cm diff I thought (1.89 to 2.00).
