All Blacks 2025
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Spend three years away, come back for the world cup. Absolutely get fucked.
100% agree, no one should ever be an automatic selection after being away that long playing micky mouse rugby in Japan.
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This article keeps coming up revealing nothing other than both returning the year after next, giving them very little time to prove themselves for selection. Does anyone think they may have struck a deal which the press is deliberately spinning out? By 2027 both of these guys could well become irrelevant.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
This article keeps coming up revealing nothing other than both returning the year after next, giving them very little time to prove themselves for selection. Does anyone think they may have struck a deal which the press is deliberately spinning out? By 2027 both of these guys could well become irrelevant.
I think our rugby press is devoid of ideas and avoids criticism of the AB coaches way too much, but I don't think there is some conspiracy.
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This article keeps coming up revealing nothing other than both returning the year after next, giving them very little time to prove themselves for selection. Does anyone think they may have struck a deal which the press is deliberately spinning out? By 2027 both of these guys could well become irrelevant.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
By 2027 both of these guys could well become irrelevant.
That will only happen if Robertson actually, you know, develops players.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Spend three years away, come back for the world cup. Absolutely get fucked.
100% agree, no one should ever be an automatic selection after being away that long playing micky mouse rugby in Japan.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Spend three years away, come back for the world cup. Absolutely get fucked.
100% agree, no one should ever be an automatic selection after being away that long playing micky mouse rugby in Japan.
Especially having played in one of the ABs least successful eras.
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@sparky
i have said it before and i will say it again a loose forward trio of Savea,Sititi and Sotutu would be one of the most skilkful ball trio going around -
@sparky
i have said it before and i will say it again a loose forward trio of Savea,Sititi and Sotutu would be one of the most skilkful ball trio going around@Steven-Harris I would have thought the French Series would be an ideal one to try it at least.
The skills of our best players is the point of difference to other top international sides IMHO.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
It certainly could, depending on game plan - and particularly if you used a couple of big volume work rate guys like Holland, Newell in the tight. And depends on the use of bench loosies too.
I would quite like to see what Sotutu could do if he were told to go hard for 40. He still contributes very effectively in key moments at the end of games, but he doesn't have the workrate of some others over that 80 minutes, might be pacing himself somewhat? -
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
It certainly could, depending on game plan - and particularly if you used a couple of big volume work rate guys like Holland, Newell in the tight. And depends on the use of bench loosies too.
I would quite like to see what Sotutu could do if he were told to go hard for 40. He still contributes very effectively in key moments at the end of games, but he doesn't have the workrate of some others over that 80 minutes, might be pacing himself somewhat?@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
It certainly could, depending on game plan - and particularly if you used a couple of big volume work rate guys like Holland, Newell in the tight. And depends on the use of bench loosies too.
I would quite like to see what Sotutu could do if he were told to go hard for 40. He still contributes very effectively in key moments at the end of games, but he doesn't have the workrate of some others over that 80 minutes, might be pacing himself somewhat?As the saffas have shown, who cares? If he can give 40 minutes of impact better than some guys who play 80, let him empty the tank and get his sub on
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
Would provide some nice alliteration that’s for sure, the likes of which we haven’t seen since the Killer Bs ( Beattie, Barclay and Brown ) played for Scotland.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
It certainly could, depending on game plan - and particularly if you used a couple of big volume work rate guys like Holland, Newell in the tight. And depends on the use of bench loosies too.
I would quite like to see what Sotutu could do if he were told to go hard for 40. He still contributes very effectively in key moments at the end of games, but he doesn't have the workrate of some others over that 80 minutes, might be pacing himself somewhat?@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
It certainly could, depending on game plan - and particularly if you used a couple of big volume work rate guys like Holland, Newell in the tight. And depends on the use of bench loosies too.
I would quite like to see what Sotutu could do if he were told to go hard for 40. He still contributes very effectively in key moments at the end of games, but he doesn't have the workrate of some others over that 80 minutes, might be pacing himself somewhat?Sotutu generally has excellent durability over the season. His workrate game to game hasn't been as high as other but he was in the top 5 for a lot of stats across the whole season last year for totals.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
I worry about our lineout.
I know Sotutu isn't terrible and Sititi can be used.
If we have Vaii's workrate at lock that's a good thing, right? But, you add Barrett as the other lock and suddenly we have five hybrids from 4-7. -
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
I worry about our lineout.
I know Sotutu isn't terrible and Sititi can be used.
If we have Vaii's workrate at lock that's a good thing, right? But, you add Barrett as the other lock and suddenly we have five hybrids from 4-7.@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
I worry about our lineout.
I know Sotutu isn't terrible and Sititi can be used.
If we have Vaii's workrate at lock that's a good thing, right? But, you add Barrett as the other lock and suddenly we have five hybrids from 4-7.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
I worry about our lineout.
I know Sotutu isn't terrible and Sititi can be used.
If we have Vaii's workrate at lock that's a good thing, right? But, you add Barrett as the other lock and suddenly we have five hybrids from 4-7.@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
I worry about our lineout.
I know Sotutu isn't terrible and Sititi can be used.
If we have Vaii's workrate at lock that's a good thing, right? But, you add Barrett as the other lock and suddenly we have five hybrids from 4-7.Barrett is the guy in that lineout list who doesn't really fit the job requirements properly in my opinion. He isn't a particularly good lineout lock, Sotutu is pretty good for a loosie, and Sititi is fine as a secondary loosie target.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
I worry about our lineout.
I know Sotutu isn't terrible and Sititi can be used.
If we have Vaii's workrate at lock that's a good thing, right? But, you add Barrett as the other lock and suddenly we have five hybrids from 4-7.@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
I worry about our lineout.
I know Sotutu isn't terrible and Sititi can be used.
If we have Vaii's workrate at lock that's a good thing, right? But, you add Barrett as the other lock and suddenly we have five hybrids from 4-7.Sotutu won the most lineouts of all NZ players last year in SR. The Blues didn't use him as much this year but he is an excellent lineout operator.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
I worry about our lineout.
I know Sotutu isn't terrible and Sititi can be used.
If we have Vaii's workrate at lock that's a good thing, right? But, you add Barrett as the other lock and suddenly we have five hybrids from 4-7.Sotutu won the most lineouts of all NZ players last year in SR. The Blues didn't use him as much this year but he is an excellent lineout operator.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why wouldn't a Sititi-Savea-Sotutu back row work at Test level?
At least give it a go ffs
I worry about our lineout.
I know Sotutu isn't terrible and Sititi can be used.
If we have Vaii's workrate at lock that's a good thing, right? But, you add Barrett as the other lock and suddenly we have five hybrids from 4-7.Sotutu won the most lineouts of all NZ players last year in SR. The Blues didn't use him as much this year but he is an excellent lineout operator.
Long arms and good aerial skills.
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I don't see SB as a hybrid. If he isn't playing as one of the top locks or doesn't balance lineout weakness elsewhere in his game then choose someone who can.
