All Blacks 2025
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New ABs or bolters? Now that Razor and Lashes have selected their team and started the rumours on who is in, who would be a bolter?
I expect several new ABs from this group:
Norris or Fusitua or Numia
Holland
Lio Willie or Kirifi or Parker
Roe
Tavatavanawai or Lam
Carter
So I think up to 6 spots with some in the air until the final is over. Maybe 4 or 5 including injury cover.
What would be a bolter? Reihana, Ah Kuoi, Howden, Dyer, Beehre, Jack Taylor? -
@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
How he slipped through the Highlanders net is wild.
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Do we reckon anyone can play themselves into a black jersey tomorrow?
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Do we reckon anyone can play themselves into a black jersey tomorrow?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Do we reckon anyone can play themselves into a black jersey tomorrow?
Razor has probably made up his mind. Unless one of the Chiefs players literally snaps their opposite in half I can't see it
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
How he slipped through the Highlanders net is wild.
@KiwiMurph He appears to top the Super rugby stats for carries.
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@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
That would be awesome - another small loose forward.
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@Lancaster-Park Yeah - if you look at the heights in our 2015 RWC winning lineout:
Retallick 2.04m
Whitelock 2.03m
Kaino 1.96m
McCaw 1.87m
Read 1.93mWe're a bit small throughout the pack (last year's No. 1 lineup)....
Barrett 1.97m
Vaa'i 1.98m
Sititi 1.87m
Cane 1.89 m
Savea 1.85mIf Sititi and Savea both are going to start, I really want them at 8 and 7 to allow us to play a tall 6.
There's hope on the horizon.
Holland 2.04m
Darry 2.03m
Lord 2.02mFinau 1.96m
Parker 1.97mA bit further behind and not as tall, but eye-catching Malachi Wrampling 1.92.
Challenge for these big guys is to be athletic and mobile enough to get around the park - and not to be forever injured - leverage on their big legs when things get bent and twisted wrong is a killer.
n.b. internet heights so they're probably slightly dodgy, but not so highly unreliable as internet weights.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@Lancaster-Park Yeah - if you look at the heights in our 2015 RWC winning lineout:
Retallick 2.04m
Whitelock 2.03m
Kaino 1.96m
McCaw 1.87m
Read 1.93mWe're a bit small throughout the pack (last year's No. 1 lineup)....
Barrett 1.97m
Vaa'i 1.98m
Sititi 1.87m
Cane 1.89 m
Savea 1.85mIf Sititi and Savea both are going to start, I really want them at 8 and 7 to allow us to play a tall 6.
There's hope on the horizon.
Holland 2.04m
Darry 2.03m
Lord 2.02mFinau 1.96m
Parker 1.97mA bit further behind and not as tall, but eye-catching Malachi Wrampling 1.92.
Challenge for these big guys is to be athletic and mobile enough to get around the park - and not to be forever injured - leverage on their big legs when things get bent and twisted wrong is a killer.
n.b. internet heights so they're probably slightly dodgy, but not so highly unreliable as internet weights.
Hmmmm……
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
That would be awesome - another small loose forward.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
That would be awesome - another small loose forward.
Short not small
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Small stature.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@Lancaster-Park Yeah - if you look at the heights in our 2015 RWC winning lineout:
Retallick 2.04m
Whitelock 2.03m
Kaino 1.96m
McCaw 1.87m
Read 1.93mWe're a bit small throughout the pack (last year's No. 1 lineup)....
Barrett 1.97m
Vaa'i 1.98m
Sititi 1.87m
Cane 1.89 m
Savea 1.85mIf Sititi and Savea both are going to start, I really want them at 8 and 7 to allow us to play a tall 6.
There's hope on the horizon.
Holland 2.04m
Darry 2.03m
Lord 2.02mFinau 1.96m
Parker 1.97mA bit further behind and not as tall, but eye-catching Malachi Wrampling 1.92.
Challenge for these big guys is to be athletic and mobile enough to get around the park - and not to be forever injured - leverage on their big legs when things get bent and twisted wrong is a killer.
n.b. internet heights so they're probably slightly dodgy, but not so highly unreliable as internet weights.
Hmmmm……
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
That would be awesome - another small loose forward.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
That would be awesome - another small loose forward.
Sorry to disappoint you - I can't produce a Miracle!
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@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 Hoskins was in Tauranga at the camp. Flew down this morning, was back in Auckland by the afternoon.
It was a physical/medical check type of visit with the AB docs/trainers.
Make of that what you willGood on you. Was it a one day thing or were guys meant to stick around?
@gt12 I think it's a weekend camp? Hoskins had a 9.30am flight down and a 12.30pm flight back. It involved a medical and chat with the coaches.
So he WAS there albeit just for the morning.
He's on a plane soon to South Africa for the Baabaas game. He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall -
@gt12 I think it's a weekend camp? Hoskins had a 9.30am flight down and a 12.30pm flight back. It involved a medical and chat with the coaches.
So he WAS there albeit just for the morning.
He's on a plane soon to South Africa for the Baabaas game. He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
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@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
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@george33 Hoskins was in Tauranga at the camp. Flew down this morning, was back in Auckland by the afternoon.
It was a physical/medical check type of visit with the AB docs/trainers.
Make of that what you will@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
Flew down this morning
A flight from Auckland to Tauranga should be a criminal offence.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
Fully agree.
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@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS I saw an internet article picking Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa!
Haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere else and I was pretty much "who"?
Be a bigger bolter than Tosi!
Don't think he's eligible for selection so would be a big surprise indeed...
Few potential bolter options would be Reihana, Beehre, Rona, Howden, Taele.
Don't think any of the other new caps discussed on here would be classed as bolters given they've been in the frame for a little while.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.
We don't.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.
We don't.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.
We don't.
And it's not like we're dominating our opposition. The coaches should question how successful their tactics are and modify them to improve
