All Blacks 2025
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
Maybe AB 10 expectations are a bit high. We have 4 candidates (I'm not counting Perofeta), and none are Dan Carter. But they'd have a good chance of leading other international sides. Just pick the best options balanced with an eye to the future!
Precisely. In Love and Reihana we can see options worth developing as opposed to sticking with the two failed candidates we've got. Where's the harm in seeing how they progress? The two incumbents aren't getting any better and we're losing games as a result.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
Maybe AB 10 expectations are a bit high. We have 4 candidates (I'm not counting Perofeta), and none are Dan Carter. But they'd have a good chance of leading other international sides. Just pick the best options balanced with an eye to the future!
Precisely. In Love and Reihana we can see options worth developing as opposed to sticking with the two failed candidates we've got. Where's the harm in seeing how they progress? The two incumbents aren't getting any better and we're losing games as a result.
The ceiling for DMac and BB is set. In the case of BB, his best years are behind him. RM is a pipe dream and not getting any younger either. They need to be there, as they are the best we have. But we would be smart to have an eye on the near future, and work out who can take us forward at 10
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I'm fairly amazed at all the drums beating for Carter. International back 3 needs aerial prowess. He is going to be a massive defensive liability if picked.
@steelpotato said in All Blacks 2025:
I'm fairly amazed at all the drums beating for Carter. International back 3 needs aerial prowess. He is going to be a massive defensive liability if picked.
Yeah - I picked him in my squad earlier in the week, but after last night I've kind of revised that.
But, I also see people wanting to discard Reece a bit earlier in the thread - and others saying Caleb Clarke has had a poor season.
Makes you wonder who will get picked on the wing? For once we're looking pretty shallow there.
So @chchfanatic could well be right that they're thinking to push Rieko out there.
@george33 I reckon AJ is a good chance as a wing that can cover midfield. I don't like his chances as much a pure midfielder - Rieko, Proctor, Jordie, Tupaea, Havili and Timoci all in that mix.
(n.b. Big Leicester's Toulon got knocked out in France last night - he'll presumably be arriving on a plane at some point in the not too distant future).
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Not a lot of oil at this stage. Players are only getting the calls if they don’t make it so it’s making it even harder to find out who’s in. Still working to find out anything I can
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
There's a lot of straw men in this thread. Has anyone anointed Reihana as the answer?
you are spot on, people are saying he maybe an option in the future, the more options we have the better.
I see several people saying pick him for the squad now.
Barrett, McKenzie, Love, Reihana.
They're only going to pick three of them. If they pick Reihana, who misses out? (That's not actually a question for you - I agree, he's an option for the future) - but, I agree with Steven Harris - it would be a huge surprise if he gets picked tomorrow. Maybe a candidate for the EOYT, but again there would be the question of who misses out if everyone is fit.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
Maybe a candidate for the EOYT, but again there would be the question of who misses out if everyone is fit.
Razor might have to make an actual tough call
Imagine that.....
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
There's a lot of straw men in this thread. Has anyone anointed Reihana as the answer?
you are spot on, people are saying he maybe an option in the future, the more options we have the better.
I see several people saying pick him for the squad now.
Barrett, McKenzie, Love, Reihana.
They're only going to pick three of them. If they pick Reihana, who misses out? (That's not actually a question for you - I agree, he's an option for the future) - but, I agree with Steven Harris - it would be a huge surprise if he gets picked tomorrow. Maybe a candidate for the EOYT, but again there would be the question of who misses out if everyone is fit.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
There's a lot of straw men in this thread. Has anyone anointed Reihana as the answer?
you are spot on, people are saying he maybe an option in the future, the more options we have the better.
I see several people saying pick him for the squad now.
Barrett, McKenzie, Love, Reihana.
They're only going to pick three of them. If they pick Reihana, who misses out? (That's not actually a question for you - I agree, he's an option for the future) - but, I agree with Steven Harris - it would be a huge surprise if he gets picked tomorrow. Maybe a candidate for the EOYT, but again there would be the question of who misses out if everyone is fit.
Just pick Barrett as a fullback only. 10s are McKenzie, Love, Reihana. It's such a key position that we should be developing multiple players there.
Though releasing someone to actual play some footy for the Maori etc would make sense too. -
@Steven-Harris George Bower and Christian Leo Willie big ins.
@SBW1 i’m picking Bower comes in and given that Sititi if the reports are correct about being in moon boot then CLW is a very good chance
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Not a lot of oil at this stage. Players are only getting the calls if they don’t make it so it’s making it even harder to find out who’s in. Still working to find out anything I can
@Landers92 just caught wind Fabien Holland is a lock in , not really a surprise for mine
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
There's a lot of straw men in this thread. Has anyone anointed Reihana as the answer?
you are spot on, people are saying he maybe an option in the future, the more options we have the better.
I see several people saying pick him for the squad now.
Barrett, McKenzie, Love, Reihana.
They're only going to pick three of them. If they pick Reihana, who misses out? (That's not actually a question for you - I agree, he's an option for the future) - but, I agree with Steven Harris - it would be a huge surprise if he gets picked tomorrow. Maybe a candidate for the EOYT, but again there would be the question of who misses out if everyone is fit.
Just pick Barrett as a fullback only. 10s are McKenzie, Love, Reihana. It's such a key position that we should be developing multiple players there.
Though releasing someone to actual play some footy for the Maori etc would make sense too. -
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean oh well that's Jordie cleared of brain farts then. That's the only one.
Someone mention goalposts?
@DMX said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean oh well that's Jordie cleared of brain farts then. That's the only one.
Someone mention goalposts?
Found them!
Jordie has had quiet games, not shockers,
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@Landers92 just caught wind Fabien Holland is a lock in , not really a surprise for mine
@Steven-Harris does Finau make the cut, I'm not so sure now think Blackadder has jumped ahead.
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@reprobate But, Beaudy is the incumbent starting first five?
And from what I've seen in the past few weeks it will be a bit surprising if he's not starting the first test vs France.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate But, Beaudy is the incumbent starting first five?
And from what I've seen in the past few weeks it will be a bit surprising if he's not starting the first test vs France.
Yeah but he kicks all our ball away and has been doing it for years. At some point we need to move on and blood the young players.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate But, Beaudy is the incumbent starting first five?
And from what I've seen in the past few weeks it will be a bit surprising if he's not starting the first test vs France.
Yeah but he kicks all our ball away and has been doing it for years. At some point we need to move on and blood the young players.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate But, Beaudy is the incumbent starting first five?
And from what I've seen in the past few weeks it will be a bit surprising if he's not starting the first test vs France.
Yeah but he kicks all our ball away and has been doing it for years. At some point we need to move on and blood the young players.
Surely Razor can shorten his leash, just as Reihana was given a pretty small task list for the Saders?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate But, Beaudy is the incumbent starting first five?
And from what I've seen in the past few weeks it will be a bit surprising if he's not starting the first test vs France.
Yeah but he kicks all our ball away and has been doing it for years. At some point we need to move on and blood the young players.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate But, Beaudy is the incumbent starting first five?
And from what I've seen in the past few weeks it will be a bit surprising if he's not starting the first test vs France.
Yeah but he kicks all our ball away and has been doing it for years. At some point we need to move on and blood the young players.
It's a test series, we move on and blood new players when they as good or better.
And add Reihana had good game last night but anyone picking any player on a couple of good games (or bad ones) isn't thinking. Form over time is surely more important -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate But, Beaudy is the incumbent starting first five?
And from what I've seen in the past few weeks it will be a bit surprising if he's not starting the first test vs France.
Yeah but he kicks all our ball away and has been doing it for years. At some point we need to move on and blood the young players.
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@Landers92 just caught wind Fabien Holland is a lock in , not really a surprise for mine
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 just caught wind Fabien Holland is a lock in , not really a surprise for mine
With Darry and Lord out of commission it would almost be a surprise if they didn't take the chance to pick him.
Seems likely to have the highest ceiling (literally) of the next band of contenders.
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Well, I reckon Test 1 we'll see 10. BB 23. DMac
Test 2. 10. BB 23. DMac
Test 3. All going well (i.e. series in the bank) 10. DMac 23. Love@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
Well, I reckon Test 1 we'll see 10. BB 23. DMac
Test 2. 10. BB 23. DMac
Test 3. All going well (i.e. series in the bank) 10. DMac 23. LoveSo against French B Love gets bugger all minutes in test 3.
How bold. I'm sure we'll learn a lot
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@Steven-Harris does Finau make the cut, I'm not so sure now think Blackadder has jumped ahead.
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Steven-Harris does Finau make the cut, I'm not so sure now think Blackadder has jumped ahead.
I think what is certain is that there will be players ‘named’ in the squad as recognition of where Razor and co are wanting to move towards but there may be 2 (possibly 3) injury replacements also named. The “he will be training with the squad” players.
With Parker injured I’m really hoping for a genuine 6/lock type to be selected and there’s at least one that has impressed in camp.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
Well, I reckon Test 1 we'll see 10. BB 23. DMac
Test 2. 10. BB 23. DMac
Test 3. All going well (i.e. series in the bank) 10. DMac 23. LoveSo against French B Love gets bugger all minutes in test 3.
How bold. I'm sure we'll learn a lot
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
Well, I reckon Test 1 we'll see 10. BB 23. DMac
Test 2. 10. BB 23. DMac
Test 3. All going well (i.e. series in the bank) 10. DMac 23. LoveSo against French B Love gets bugger all minutes in test 3.
How bold. I'm sure we'll learn a lot
They might start him at 15, but I doubt they'd then shift him to 10 within the game - in his second test. I'd want to give him one assignment to nail.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate But, Beaudy is the incumbent starting first five?
And from what I've seen in the past few weeks it will be a bit surprising if he's not starting the first test vs France.
Yeah but he kicks all our ball away and has been doing it for years. At some point we need to move on and blood the young players.
It's a test series, we move on and blood new players when they as good or better.
And add Reihana had good game last night but anyone picking any player on a couple of good games (or bad ones) isn't thinking. Form over time is surely more important@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate But, Beaudy is the incumbent starting first five?
And from what I've seen in the past few weeks it will be a bit surprising if he's not starting the first test vs France.
Yeah but he kicks all our ball away and has been doing it for years. At some point we need to move on and blood the young players.
It's a test series, we move on and blood new players when they as good or better.
And add Reihana had good game last night but anyone picking any player on a couple of good games (or bad ones) isn't thinking. Form over time is surely more importantIf we only ever picked 'form over time' who knows what would have happened to players like Wallace Sititi, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Joe Rokococo, RIchie McCaw, Christian Cullen, and Jonah Lomu etc
Reihana is already 25 with 70 first class games and a Super Rugby win. When he became a regular starter this season the Crusaders went on a 6 game winning streak including 3 finals. Sititi only started in 6 winning games for the Chiefs last year before selection.
