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2025 All Blacks v France series

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  • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

    No Blackadder and havilli is still a shock to me even if it was tipped .

    Maybe it’s time for us to let the theory of the razor crusader bias go

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    @kiwiinmelb said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

    No Blackadder and havilli is still a shock to me even if it was tipped .

    Maybe it’s time for us to let the theory of the razor crusader bias go

    It feels like his comments around being bolder with selections pertains to not just favouring players he has worked with before (which looks like bias). Very pleased, though I really think they could have made room for Sotutu...

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      Based on those selections who starts the first test?

      Have the odds come out for the NPC yet? Ta$man will have Blackadder, Havili and Lester. Worth a cheeky bet.

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        Vaa'i has the attributes to go well at 6 but he needs some serious game time there. SB - Holland - Vaa'i would give us a LOT more height

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          One of the weakest and worst selected AB teams I’ve seen in my lifetime.

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          • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

            Based on those selections who starts the first test?

            Have the odds come out for the NPC yet? Ta$man will have Blackadder, Havili and Lester. Worth a cheeky bet.

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            @Canes4life Perhaps a first test starting backline of Roigard, BB, Clarke, JB, Proctor, Reece, Jordan
            and a backs bench of Ratima, McKenzie and Ioane

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              If Finau doesnt step up (jury is out), then Sititi has to move to 6 and Ardie back to 8 as no other proper 8's.
              Space should have been made for Hoskins or Lio WIllie

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                It's concerning that the Chiefs have the most forwards with 6 after they failed to do a job against the Blues and Crusaders.

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                • No QuarterN No Quarter

                  Vaa'i has the attributes to go well at 6 but he needs some serious game time there. SB - Holland - Vaa'i would give us a LOT more height

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                  @No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                  Vaa'i has the attributes to go well at 6 but he needs some serious game time there. SB - Holland - Vaa'i would give us a LOT more height

                  To me he is completely unproven as a 6, and being selected to cover that spot for the best team in the world is bizarre. Barrett even worse, is a proven failure at 6.
                  Being a short lock doesn't make you a 6.
                  It just smacks of 'couldn't make a decision on the midfielders' to me.

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                    Not a bad squad.

                    The only guy I'm genuinely annoyed about in this squad is Reece.

                    Lio-Willie's inclusion as cover means form counts this year in a way it didn't last year. I think Sotutu offers more but are we resigned to seeing him turn out for England or Fiji. Don't mind Kirifi's selection after years of toiling away.

                    Scooter better fucking not be covering 6, it took him most of the season to get into form at his usual spot without him being shifted. And then if we move Vaa'i then were moving our best performing lock of the last two years.

                    I wonder if Tupaea will get a decent shot this year? Hard to overcome the last name Barrett in NZ rugby.

                    The finals don't appear to have had an impact on the selections.

                    Pleased to see McAlister there, Bell hasn't looked up to the task and isn't even the next best hooker in his franchise.

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                    • B brodean

                      It's concerning that the Chiefs have the most forwards with 6 after they failed to do a job against the Blues and Crusaders.

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                      @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                      It's concerning that the Chiefs have the most forwards with 6 after they failed to do a job against the Blues and Crusaders.

                      Super form doesn't matter.

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                        @No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                        Vaa'i has the attributes to go well at 6 but he needs some serious game time there. SB - Holland - Vaa'i would give us a LOT more height

                        To me he is completely unproven as a 6, and being selected to cover that spot for the best team in the world is bizarre. Barrett even worse, is a proven failure at 6.
                        Being a short lock doesn't make you a 6.
                        It just smacks of 'couldn't make a decision on the midfielders' to me.

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                        @reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                        @No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                        Vaa'i has the attributes to go well at 6 but he needs some serious game time there. SB - Holland - Vaa'i would give us a LOT more height

                        To me he is completely unproven as a 6, and being selected to cover that spot for the best team in the world is bizarre. Barrett even worse, is a proven failure at 6.
                        Being a short lock doesn't make you a 6.
                        It just smacks of 'couldn't make a decision on the midfielders' to me.

                        Was ALB really necessary?

                        Look at Ireland. It's Aki, Henshaw and Ringrose. Any 2 of the 3 every week for the last few years.

                        We selected 6 blokes, one of whom is crocked.

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                        • SouthernMannS SouthernMann

                          Havili is missing out.

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                          @SouthernMann you had that 20mins ahead of time good on ya, I had a gut feel Havili was gonna be on the chopping block as James O'Connor was saying on his podcast the other week why isn't Daveys name out there when talking about ABs 12

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                            @No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                            Vaa'i has the attributes to go well at 6 but he needs some serious game time there. SB - Holland - Vaa'i would give us a LOT more height

                            To me he is completely unproven as a 6, and being selected to cover that spot for the best team in the world is bizarre. Barrett even worse, is a proven failure at 6.
                            Being a short lock doesn't make you a 6.
                            It just smacks of 'couldn't make a decision on the midfielders' to me.

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                            @reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                            @No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                            Vaa'i has the attributes to go well at 6 but he needs some serious game time there. SB - Holland - Vaa'i would give us a LOT more height

                            To me he is completely unproven as a 6, and being selected to cover that spot for the best team in the world is bizarre. Barrett even worse, is a proven failure at 6.
                            Being a short lock doesn't make you a 6.
                            It just smacks of 'couldn't make a decision on the midfielders' to me.

                            I think Simon Parker is a certainty for the four nations and, impressively, they really didn't want to select Blackadder.

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                              They've only picked 33 guys I think - when 35 was foreshadowed?

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                              • Landers92L Landers92

                                Big Jim!!!! Love to see it.

                                No Blackadder or Havili. We have finally turned a corner

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                                @Landers92 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                Big Jim!!!! Love to see it.

                                I'd still be concerned about his pace as a winger at this level. BUT he certainly will offer something different off the bench.

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                                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                  They've only picked 33 guys I think - when 35 was foreshadowed?

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                                  @Chris-B is that right? Parker and Tangitau?

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                                  • NepiaN Nepia

                                    Not a bad squad.

                                    The only guy I'm genuinely annoyed about in this squad is Reece.

                                    Lio-Willie's inclusion as cover means form counts this year in a way it didn't last year. I think Sotutu offers more but are we resigned to seeing him turn out for England or Fiji. Don't mind Kirifi's selection after years of toiling away.

                                    Scooter better fucking not be covering 6, it took him most of the season to get into form at his usual spot without him being shifted. And then if we move Vaa'i then were moving our best performing lock of the last two years.

                                    I wonder if Tupaea will get a decent shot this year? Hard to overcome the last name Barrett in NZ rugby.

                                    The finals don't appear to have had an impact on the selections.

                                    Pleased to see McAlister there, Bell hasn't looked up to the task and isn't even the next best hooker in his franchise.

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                                    @Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                    Not a bad squad.

                                    The only guy I'm genuinely annoyed about in this squad is Reece.

                                    Lio-Willie's inclusion as cover means form counts this year in a way it didn't last year. I think Sotutu offers more but are we resigned to seeing him turn out for England or Fiji. Don't mind Kirifi's selection after years of toiling away.

                                    Scooter better fucking not be covering 6, it took him most of the season to get into form at his usual spot without him being shifted. And then if we move Vaa'i then were moving our best performing lock of the last two years.

                                    I wonder if Tupaea will get a decent shot this year? Hard to overcome the last name Barrett in NZ rugby.

                                    The finals don't appear to have had an impact on the selections.

                                    Pleased to see McAlister there, Bell hasn't looked up to the task and isn't even the next best hooker in his franchise.

                                    Gutted to not have Tangitau fit.

                                    Big Jim adds some oomph, but Tangitau would have been icing on the cake.

                                    Imagine:

                                    1. Rieko 14. Tangitau 15. Jordan
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                                    • JetJ Jet

                                      @Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                      Not a bad squad.

                                      The only guy I'm genuinely annoyed about in this squad is Reece.

                                      Lio-Willie's inclusion as cover means form counts this year in a way it didn't last year. I think Sotutu offers more but are we resigned to seeing him turn out for England or Fiji. Don't mind Kirifi's selection after years of toiling away.

                                      Scooter better fucking not be covering 6, it took him most of the season to get into form at his usual spot without him being shifted. And then if we move Vaa'i then were moving our best performing lock of the last two years.

                                      I wonder if Tupaea will get a decent shot this year? Hard to overcome the last name Barrett in NZ rugby.

                                      The finals don't appear to have had an impact on the selections.

                                      Pleased to see McAlister there, Bell hasn't looked up to the task and isn't even the next best hooker in his franchise.

                                      Gutted to not have Tangitau fit.

                                      Big Jim adds some oomph, but Tangitau would have been icing on the cake.

                                      Imagine:

                                      1. Rieko 14. Tangitau 15. Jordan
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                                      reprobate
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                                      @Jet the trouble with that is that the Rieko you are imagining is from quite a few years ago now.

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                                        Happy to see Rieko tried back on the wing but he has limitations there's as well - he is average under the high ball and he has no kicking game whatsoever

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                                          I am whelmed.

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