2025 All Blacks v France series
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@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Anyone else have a sinking feeling in their gut that Razor will select a backrow that has Ardie and Du'Plessis on the field at the same time?
that's probably my preferred TBH, with the version of Finau that's in my head there as well.
@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Anyone else have a sinking feeling in their gut that Razor will select a backrow that has Ardie and Du'Plessis on the field at the same time?
that's probably my preferred TBH, with the version of Finau that's in my head there as well.
I'd prefer either of them at 7. A fit Sititi at 8 and Finau on the blind.
edit - all of them playing as well as I imagine they're capable of being.
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@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Anyone else have a sinking feeling in their gut that Razor will select a backrow that has Ardie and Du'Plessis on the field at the same time?
that's probably my preferred TBH, with the version of Finau that's in my head there as well.
I'd prefer either of them at 7. A fit Sititi at 8 and Finau on the blind.
edit - all of them playing as well as I imagine they're capable of being.
@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Anyone else have a sinking feeling in their gut that Razor will select a backrow that has Ardie and Du'Plessis on the field at the same time?
that's probably my preferred TBH, with the version of Finau that's in my head there as well.
I'd prefer either of them at 7. A fit Sititi at 8 and Finau on the blind.
edit - all of them playing as well as I imagine they're capable of being.
Well thats just it now isn't it? Time to see Razor coach the crap out of these guys, get them playing a slightly tighter style
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i havent watched a lot of MP this season, was Savea playing 7 predominately?
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@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Bell and Fihaki shouldn't have been selected. The weird thing is that both Havili and Blackadder were quite a bit better this year than last at Super level.
I was a bit tongue in cheek.
Havili was excellent at 12 until he came up against the bigger teams. I don't think he's got enough to take up a squad slot.
Blackadder has strong work rate, but in my opinion not fast enough or big enough for the top level. Can see how he gets picked, and can see his value, but his ceiling is quite limited for Tests. Super does not actually transfer well to Test level.
His best AB performances were against the Boks. Got over the gain line consistently and set up tries.
I’m not surprised by his omission given QT is now fit and firing.
Dave only played three games off the bench last year for the ABs - and would have played less if not for injuries. Clearly the fifth-ranked midfielder. His spot was always under threat - I thought he might get a reprieve with ALB being out - but, he's not - and they've also picked Jim. Long way back for Dave.
@Chris-B he’s a different sort of player than ALB, so not a like for like (if they were going for that), whereas if sat Jordie was unavailable they may have considered, but I think they are looking to the future for our midfield whilst balancing the need to have a couple of key experienced guys.
On TNT, could he be a Sam Tuitupo type? Not sure if he has the passing game of Sammy but playing a flat backline TNT could be really troubling. TNT won’t need to try and be everywhere which seemed the case at the Landers.
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@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
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i havent watched a lot of MP this season, was Savea playing 7 predominately?
@Kiwiwomble said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
i havent watched a lot of MP this season, was Savea playing 7 predominately?
Yes
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@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
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@Kiwiwomble said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
i havent watched a lot of MP this season, was Savea playing 7 predominately?
Yes
@KiwiMurph said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Kiwiwomble said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
i havent watched a lot of MP this season, was Savea playing 7 predominately?
Yes
thats what i thought, im kind of hoping thats where they see him primarily (i know they more than likely dont), when he was playing 8 and we were struggling for a 7 when it was suggested he play 7 for the AB's it was quickly shot down "hasen't played first class rugby at 7 for years, hes an 8 now"...would think its works both ways
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@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
Ah, so not real then.
If you only see dominant tackles, you're missing about 90% of the game - which kinda makes sense. -
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
Tackle counts are not that important. Racking up numbers hitting one off defensive players and being late to attacking rucks doesn't really help win games. It's just avoiding errors. Safe boring players are great, but if you have too many (if any) you can just beige your way out of any impact and dynamism.
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@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
Ah, so not real then.
If you only see dominant tackles, you're missing about 90% of the game - which kinda makes sense.@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
If you only see dominant tackles, you're missing about 90% of the game - which kinda makes sense.
you know that was the primary stat that Wayne Smith looked at? He didn't really care about many others ... and what would he know
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@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Yeah I don’t believe that metres per carry I went back at watched the game one run he made at least 3 or 4 metres when he got between 2 tacklers.
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@Chris-B he’s a different sort of player than ALB, so not a like for like (if they were going for that), whereas if sat Jordie was unavailable they may have considered, but I think they are looking to the future for our midfield whilst balancing the need to have a couple of key experienced guys.
On TNT, could he be a Sam Tuitupo type? Not sure if he has the passing game of Sammy but playing a flat backline TNT could be really troubling. TNT won’t need to try and be everywhere which seemed the case at the Landers.
@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Chris-B he’s a different sort of player than ALB, so not a like for like (if they were going for that), whereas if sat Jordie was unavailable they may have considered, but I think they are looking to the future for our midfield whilst balancing the need to have a couple of key experienced guys.
I was thinking they'd pick four midfielders - Jordie, Tupaea, Proctor and Rieko - but, a chance they'd pick five and with ALB injured Dave might have got the fifth spot, especially after he'd gone pretty well in the play-offs.
But that would likely only have been a reprieve until ALB returned.
I'm not surprised he missed out.
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@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
Tackle counts are not that important. Racking up numbers hitting one off defensive players and being late to attacking rucks doesn't really help win games. It's just avoiding errors. Safe boring players are great, but if you have too many (if any) you can just beige your way out of any impact and dynamism.
@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
Tackle counts are not that important. Racking up numbers hitting one off defensive players and being late to attacking rucks doesn't really help win games. It's just avoiding errors. Safe boring players are great, but if you have too many (if any) you can just beige your way out of any impact and dynamism.
So defence doesn’t count then someone can make one tackle per game at that’s all good.
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@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
If you only see dominant tackles, you're missing about 90% of the game - which kinda makes sense.
you know that was the primary stat that Wayne Smith looked at? He didn't really care about many others ... and what would he know
@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
If you only see dominant tackles, you're missing about 90% of the game - which kinda makes sense.
you know that was the primary stat that Wayne Smith looked at? He didn't really care about many others ... and what would he know
Not really that keen on simplistic soundbites like that. A quick glance at the stats says that Nareki, Ennor, Springer, Roe, Dunshea, Toomaga-Allen, and Jack Taylor all make the ABs on the % of dominant tackles metric for their position.
