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2025 All Blacks v France series

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  • M Mr Fish

    Weak as anything. Should definitely be a whitewash.

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    @Mr-Fish said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

    Weak as anything. Should definitely be a whitewash.

    I'll bow to your knowledge, I can't comment on their strength, but can say there are very few player names I recognise.

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      Five are expected to be added from Toulouse and Bordeaux-Begles, such as Romain Ntamack, Thomas Ramos, Thibaud Flament, Damian Penaud and Louis Bielle-Biarrey, although they would only be available for the second test in Wellington on July 12.
      
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      • sparkyS sparky

        The French squad to tour New Zealand has been named:

        https://twitter.com/FranceRugby/status/1937495872490594439

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        @sparky said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

        The French squad to tour New Zealand has been named:

        Even after adding 5 players from UBB or Toulouse after the final they will be missing a lot of star power. You can't write the French off as they were more than competitive when they toured Aust in 2021. The pressure will be on Robertson and the ABs to win 3-0.

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          Player list by club.

          Forwards (Club/ former club)
          Esteban Abadie (RC Toulon / Racing Club De France)
          Hugo Auradou (Pau / CA Sarladais Périgord Noir)
          Demba Bamba (Racing 92 / Saint Denis US)
          Gaëtan Barlot (Castres Olympique / AS Montferrandaise)
          Giorgi Beria (USA Perpignan / Stade Aurillacois)
          Pierre Bourgarit (La Rochelle / ES Gimontoise)
          Georges-Henri Colombe (La Rochelle / Racing Nanterre Rugby)
          Tyler Duguid (Montpellier HR / Edmonton Nor’westers Rugby Club)
          Baptiste Erdocio (Montpellier HR / Bidard UC)
          Alexandre Fischer (ASM Clermont / UC Issoirienne)
          Mickaël Guillard (Lyon Rugby / RC Maurepas Élancourt)
          Matthias Halagahu (RC Toulon / CA St Raphaël Fréjus)
          Paul Mallez (Provence Rugby / RCPA Mousson)
          Guillaume Marchand (Lyon Rugby / US Montréjeau)
          Régis Montagne (ASM Clermont / FC Grenoble)
          Rabah Slimani (Leinster Rugby / Aas Sarcelles)
          Romain Taofifenua (Racing 92 / Al Echirolles)
          Killian Tixeront (ASM Clermont / US Martres De Veyre)
          Jacobus Van Tonder (USA Perpignan / Free State Cheetah)
          Théo William (Lyon Rugby / CS Bourgoin-Jallieu)
          Cameron Woki (Racing 92 / AC Bobigny)

          Backs
          Théo Attissogbe (Pau / Peyrehorade Sports Rugby)
          Léo Barré (Stade Français / RC Versailles)
          Léo Berdeu (Lyon Rugby / OL Grasse)
          Léon Darricarrère (ASM Clermont / La Rochelle)
          Thibault Daubagna (Pau / Pau)
          Alivereti Duguivalu (USA Perpignan / Nadroga)
          Gaël Fickou (c) (Racing 92 / US Seynoise)
          Émilien Gailleton (Pau / Cahors Rugby Saint Cadurcien)
          Antoine Hastoy (La Rochelle / RC Billere Asptt Lescar)
          Baptiste Jauneau (ASM Clermont / AS Buzy Ogeu)
          Nolann Le Garrec (Racing 92 / RC Vannes)
          Théo Millet (Lyon Rugby / Boitsfort Rugby Club)
          Joris Segonds (Bayonne / SG C Decazevillois)
          Tom Spring (Bayonne / US Nafarroa)
          Cheikh Tiberghien (Bayonne / Bayonne)
          Gabin Villière (RC Toulon / RC Du Bocage Virois)

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            @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

            @ACT-Crusader

            He had the same issues with turnovers against SA last year too.

            Yeah, he clearly was rushed back too early and had little confidence.

            Still can have very poor games though.

            I think we will see him play a lot better rrom fullback this year

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            @DaGrubster said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

            @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

            @ACT-Crusader

            He had the same issues with turnovers against SA last year too.

            Yeah, he clearly was rushed back too early and had little confidence.

            Still can have very poor games though.

            I think we will see him play a lot better rrom fullback this year

            I think Jordan has developed into a bloody good fullback. I was all for at 14, but honestly think he has improved (mainly under high ball) as an out and out 15, though can still play 14 if needed.

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            • O Old Samurai Jack

              @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

              @canefan

              I guess these guys seeing themselves as pro level analysts of the game might find it a bit of failing when they get it so wrong.

              Mirror....reflection time......

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              @Old-Samurai-Jack

              I'm aware I'm a rank amateur.

              I'm not butt hurt and I didn't have any strong opinions on who shouldn't or should be selected.

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              • MaussM Mauss

                @gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                I would have thought we'd analyse how Jordie went last year under these coaches and this attacking system when we lost in Johannesburg with Jordie at 12 and lost in Cape town with Jordie at 12?

                Great, now I'm watching the Joburg Test again. But it's actually quite interesting seeing the different approaches between the French quarter final plan and the ABs at Ellis Park.

                The ABs - I'm in the first 10 minutes - tend to use Jordie off of first phase lineout attack, as the carrier to set up the platform. The French, on the other hand, barely used Danty for this. Instead, they gave the ball to some of their bigger forwards - Uini Atonio and Charles Ollivon - to crash the ball up. Danty would then come into play in the next phases, either as distributor or as a carrier against smaller opposition players.

                It does signal a bit of lack of originality from the AB coaches in the past year. I did hear Jason Ryan talk recently about ball carrying props, and it would make sense to let players like Tamaiti Williams or Pasilio Tosi do these crash balls, pushing Jordie into second phase and someone like McKenzie into the third, letting the latter construct the final part of the strike.

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                @Mauss

                I recall Tamaiti Williams making two breaks up the middle in last years French test and there was no one in support. The tight forwards were to slow too react and the loose forwards were out on the edges.

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                • sparkyS sparky

                  If you scroll down to the "Players" part of the French National Rugby Team's Wikipedia page you'll see the age of the players, their club and their caps.

                  It's not exactly an experienced international back row that will be taking on the ABs.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_national_rugby_union_team

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                  @sparky Wow, 17 uncapped players, only 7 players with over 10 caps. Imagine an NZ team leaving the country for a 3 game series in that state

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                    @sparky Wow, 17 uncapped players, only 7 players with over 10 caps. Imagine an NZ team leaving the country for a 3 game series in that state

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                    @DurryMexted

                    We don't have the same level of depth. They have 14 deep squads because of the season length.

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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph
                      Five are expected to be added from Toulouse and Bordeaux-Begles, such as Romain Ntamack, Thomas Ramos, Thibaud Flament, Damian Penaud and Louis Bielle-Biarrey, although they would only be available for the second test in Wellington on July 12.
                      
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                      @KiwiMurph said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                      Five are expected to be added from Toulouse and Bordeaux-Begles, such as Romain Ntamack, Thomas Ramos, Thibaud Flament, Damian Penaud and Louis Bielle-Biarrey, although they would only be available for the second test in Wellington on July 12.
                      

                      While five are to be added, they can't have played more than 2,000 minutes already this season, which rules out most of the experienced guys, including Penaud, LBB and Ramos. Ntamack would be a shout but France have already named three 10s so seems unlikely.

                      It's going to very likely be five guys that are equally as experienced as the already named squad.

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                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                        @sparky said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                        The French squad to tour New Zealand has been named:

                        Even after adding 5 players from UBB or Toulouse after the final they will be missing a lot of star power. You can't write the French off as they were more than competitive when they toured Aust in 2021. The pressure will be on Robertson and the ABs to win 3-0.

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                        @Bovidae said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                        The pressure will be on Robertson and the ABs to win 3-0.

                        Hopefully people/press see the series as a real opportunity for Robertson to put his stamp on things and chance his arm a bit. Ideal scenario is getting 2-0 up and having the confidence to give people like Proctor & Love plenty of game time.

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                          I want to see the French absolutely trounced.

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                          • sparkyS sparky

                            If you scroll down to the "Players" part of the French National Rugby Team's Wikipedia page you'll see the age of the players, their club and their caps.

                            It's not exactly an experienced international back row that will be taking on the ABs.

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_national_rugby_union_team

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                            @sparky said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                            If you scroll down to the "Players" part of the French National Rugby Team's Wikipedia page you'll see the age of the players, their club and their caps.

                            It's not exactly an experienced international back row that will be taking on the ABs.

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_national_rugby_union_team

                            It’s essentially a France XV squad.

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                              kiwiinmelb
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                              Frogs are in a cant really lose situation,

                              they create depth and no one is expecting them to win ,

                              I dont like it though , if they arent going to send full strength teams we shouldnt have them back

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                              • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                                Frogs are in a cant really lose situation,

                                they create depth and no one is expecting them to win ,

                                I dont like it though , if they arent going to send full strength teams we shouldnt have them back

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                                taniwharugby
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                                @kiwiinmelb not like they havent done this before though.

                                Would be good if we just smoke them...or we should have made it NZ A or the Maori to face them.

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                                • B brodean

                                  @DurryMexted

                                  We don't have the same level of depth. They have 14 deep squads because of the season length.

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                                  @brodean i guess we will see. If i was a french rugby fan i'd be pretty pissed - i.e if NZ named a squad along those lines, i believe we would be calling for review of how the international team is managed & the impact on our international reputation/rankings etc. I guess just a different attitude there where club>country

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                                    Last time Lions did a tour in 2021 France sent a weakened squad to Australia and nearly won the series with 3 tests that all went down to the wire.

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                                      canefan
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                                      Of course it would be nice if France sent a full strength team. This way, there is no excuse for not giving everyone a run to see how they are. And taking the opportunity to work on different combinations

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                                        Screenshot 2025-06-24 at 22.40.32.png

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                                          I asked Google Gemini to get the player attributes and positions of the squad.

                                          I have not verified for accuracy but have asked for links to all.rugby pages.

                                          Forwards

                                          Player Club Position Age Height Weight
                                          Props
                                          Demba Bamba Racing 92 Prop 27 1.85m 124kg
                                          Giorgi Beria USA Perpignan Prop 25 1.75m 108kg
                                          Georges-Henri Colombe La Rochelle Prop 27 1.88m 135kg
                                          Baptiste Erdocio Montpellier HR Prop 25 1.83m 115kg
                                          Paul Mallez Provence Rugby Prop 24 1.83m 120kg
                                          Régis Montagne ASM Clermont Prop 24 1.87m 120kg
                                          Rabah Slimani Leinster Rugby Prop 35 1.78m 115kg
                                          Hookers
                                          Gaëtan Barlot Castres Olympique Hooker 28 1.84m 107kg
                                          Pierre Bourgarit La Rochelle Hooker 27 1.84m 108kg
                                          Guillaume Marchand Lyon Rugby Hooker 26 1.83m 105kg
                                          Locks
                                          Hugo Auradou Pau Second Row 21 2.00m 100kg
                                          Tyler Duguid Montpellier HR Lock 24 2.01m 120kg
                                          Mickaël Guillard Lyon Rugby Lock 24 2.04m 115kg
                                          Matthias Halagahu RC Toulon Lock 23 2.02m 116kg
                                          Romain Taofifenua Racing 92 Lock 34 2.03m 135kg
                                          Théo William Lyon Rugby Lock 24 2.02m 118kg
                                          Flankers
                                          Esteban Abadie RC Toulon Flanker 27 1.88m 105kg
                                          Alexandre Fischer ASM Clermont Flanker 27 1.83m 97kg
                                          Killian Tixeront ASM Clermont Flanker 22 1.93m 100kg
                                          Jacobus Van Tonder USA Perpignan Flanker 27 1.93m 105kg
                                          Cameron Woki Racing 92 Flanker 26 1.96m 108kg

                                          Backs

                                          Player Club Position Age Height Weight
                                          Scrum-halves
                                          Thibault Daubagna Pau Scrum-half 31 1.76m 80kg
                                          Baptiste Jauneau ASM Clermont Scrum-half 21 1.75m 78kg
                                          Nolann Le Garrec Racing 92 Scrum-half 23 1.77m 80kg
                                          Fly-halves
                                          Léo Berdeu Lyon Rugby Fly-half 27 1.95m 95kg
                                          Antoine Hastoy La Rochelle Fly-half 28 1.80m 85kg
                                          Joris Segonds Bayonne Fly-half 28 1.80m 85kg
                                          Centres
                                          Léon Darricarrère ASM Clermont Centre 20 1.95m 100kg
                                          Gaël Fickou (c) Racing 92 Centre 31 1.90m 95kg
                                          Émilien Gailleton Pau Centre 21 1.85m 90kg
                                          Théo Millet Lyon Rugby Centre 27 1.85m 95kg
                                          Wings
                                          Théo Attissogbe Pau Wing 20 1.80m 80kg
                                          Alivereti Duguivalu USA Perpignan Wing 23 1.80m 90kg
                                          Cheikh Tiberghien Bayonne Wing 24 1.80m 85kg
                                          Gabin Villière RC Toulon Wing 29 1.80m 90kg
                                          Fullbacks
                                          Léo Barré Stade Français Fullback 22 1.91m 87kg
                                          Tom Spring Bayonne Fullback 22 1.85m 85kg
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